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« Reply #17654 on: June 26, 2022, 02:12:17 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2022, 06:36:40 AM
No clue where you went with that.  The obscure leaps made here sometimes are astounding.
Try to understand what you bloviate or have one of your voices do it for you
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« Reply #17655 on: June 26, 2022, 06:59:23 AM »
Yeah, uh, OK....


Ghislaine Maxwell, ex-lover of Jeffrey Epstein, placed on suicide watch ahead of sentencing
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« Reply #17656 on: June 26, 2022, 07:07:18 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2022, 05:41:16 PM
So your answer is an idea that costs $100,000? 
There are no words.

What does money have to do with anything here?
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« Reply #17657 on: June 26, 2022, 07:43:56 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2022, 06:59:23 AM
Yeah, uh, OK....


Ghislaine Maxwell, ex-lover of Jeffrey Epstein, placed on suicide watch ahead of sentencing
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« Reply #17658 on: June 26, 2022, 08:08:45 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 24, 2022, 11:26:07 PM
Great, let's have even more pinpoint democracy and have each county vote on it. 
This country is not that.

Maybe read this:


U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
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« Reply #17659 on: June 26, 2022, 08:10:12 AM »
The term democracy has some broad and very general definitions and is often used in a broad general way.

We're not a pure democracy.

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« Reply #17660 on: June 26, 2022, 08:15:07 AM »
Representative Republic.

That is what we are... if we can keep it.
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« Reply #17661 on: June 26, 2022, 09:23:14 AM »
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« Reply #17662 on: June 26, 2022, 11:28:10 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2022, 08:08:45 AM
This country is not that.

Maybe read this:


U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
I realize that you believe the Constitution was brought down from on-high on stone tablets by the Baby Jesus, but those who represent us (you know, by district), could decide that the legality of abortion services could be voted on by district.  
Your "nuh uh, cuz it's not in the constitution" retorts are akin to saying iphones are illegal because the consitution doesn't explicitily say they're an inalienable right to posses.

Better ideas can exist and be employed by those voted into office.  The fun part is that my previous sentence is so absurd as to be laughable.  No one voted into office would employ any next-level, improved ideas.
You want continued dissention.  Making the legality of abortion district-by-district would all but eliminate the wedge this issue causes for our nation, but OH NO, we can't have that!

Pretend you're a girl who got knocked up at a party by a guy you don't really know.  Imagine you live in Ocala, FL.  The nearest place you will be able to get an abortion is fucking Illinois.  In my plan, you'd just need to drive up to Gainesville.  It's a compromise. 
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« Reply #17663 on: June 26, 2022, 11:30:33 AM »
He merely noted the country is not a democracy, which strictly speaking is true.  The term however is used more broadly often as not.

I presume some state could do this county by county, but many states would not want that of course.  It's up to each state now.

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« Reply #17664 on: June 26, 2022, 11:47:28 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2022, 11:28:10 AM
I realize that you believe the Constitution was brought down from on-high on stone tablets by the Baby Jesus, but those who represent us (you know, by district), could decide that the legality of abortion services could be voted on by district. 
Your "nuh uh, cuz it's not in the constitution" retorts are akin to saying iphones are illegal because the consitution doesn't explicitily say they're an inalienable right to posses.

Better ideas can exist and be employed by those voted into office.  The fun part is that my previous sentence is so absurd as to be laughable.  No one voted into office would employ any next-level, improved ideas.
You want continued dissention.  Making the legality of abortion district-by-district would all but eliminate the wedge this issue causes for our nation, but OH NO, we can't have that!

Pretend you're a girl who got knocked up at a party by a guy you don't really know.  1. Imagine you live in Ocala, FL.  The nearest place you will be able to get an abortion is fucking Illinois.  In my plan, you'd just need to drive up to Gainesville.  2. It's a compromise.
1. Get a f'ing clue and do some research before you post this kind of crap. What little credibility you have is eroding here. You can get an abortion in Florida, up until the 15 weeks pass.

 2. No, it's ignorance, plain and simple.

Do better.

This is from the Wall Street Journal.

Where Abortion Is Legal and Where It Loses Protections Without Roe v. Wade - WSJ



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« Reply #17665 on: June 26, 2022, 12:12:49 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 24, 2022, 11:03:44 AM
Even RBG stated that R v W was flawed from the start. This is not a political decision. The is a decision based on the Constitution, which guarantees power to the States. R v W has nothing to do with A14. That is why it was overturned.

A2 guarantees with right to bear arms (legally). This is also a Constitutional decision.

As far as abortion is concerned, I've been pretty clear on my position. It is a choice, and I believe in most states you can still obtain one if that is your choice. It wouldn't be my choice, but your choice is none of my f'ing business.
So, parts of this are not quire right.

If what I've read is correct, RGB said the logic of Roe was not exactly what she wanted to see. She felt another part of the 14th amendment was a stronger argument for it. So more a light distinction than seeing it as "flawed." She also felt that the broad assertion of it as a right all at once was likely to cause a backlash, rather than just a narrow decision that started eroding abortion laws on the fringes. (She felt a case she argued was a better venue. It was somewhat wild. She was arguing for the right not to get an abortion. The air force at the time said they'd fire someone for being pregnant, in essence forcing an abortion to hold onto a job).

It also doesn't have anything to do with state government vs federal government. On of the concurrencies said it could be on states or on congress, should it so choose. 

The 2A stuff is interesting because of that "(legally)" that got thrown in. The text says the right shall not be infringed. That feels like it implies a pure textual reading is that there is no illegally possessed firearm (I suppose with some caveats for age). Now, we obviously limit firearm ownership somewhat, so we're really just poking and prodding around questions of "how much?" (my thoughts on that matter shifted through the years, but I've already babbled about that too much)
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« Reply #17666 on: June 26, 2022, 12:42:55 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2022, 11:28:10 AM


Pretend you're a girl who got knocked up at a party by a guy you don't really know.  Imagine you live in Ocala, FL.  The nearest place you will be able to get an abortion is fucking Illinois.  In my plan, you'd just need to drive up to Gainesville.  It's a compromise.
Seems like it would be a lot easier and cheaper to just order up one of those free abortion pills with free shipping. 

Don't be so dramatic. 
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #17667 on: June 26, 2022, 08:15:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
1. Get a f'ing clue and do some research before you post this kind of crap. What little credibility you have is eroding here. You can get an abortion in Florida, up until the 15 weeks pass.

 2. No, it's ignorance, plain and simple.

Do better.

This is from the Wall Street Journal.

Where Abortion Is Legal and Where It Loses Protections Without Roe v. Wade - WSJ




I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about when DeSantis gets his way, now that the SCOTUS has let him get as demented as he wants.
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