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Mdot21

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« Reply #17304 on: June 14, 2022, 10:19:30 AM »
Saudis wouldn't even take Biden's phone calls. Saudi gov't making fun of Biden....literally nothing gets on their airwaves unless the Saudi gov't OKs it.




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« Reply #17305 on: June 14, 2022, 10:50:35 AM »
Biden and the Dems don't like this

S&P 500 tumbles nearly 4% to new low for the year, closes in bear market territory

and I don't think they thought they could cause this problem

Yesterday was a mess across the board in terms of Economy/Recession(?)/Inflation:

-U.S. 2YR Treasury Yield highest spike since 2007, a signal of recession
-Over $200,000,000,000 lost in the Crypto markets over the weekend, a near-term crash
-Several market indexes settling down in Bear Market Territory (“falling 20% or more from a recent high for a sustained period of time”)
-S&P fell almost 4%, marking its lowest level since March 2021 and bringing its losses from its January record to more than 21%
-Gas topping $5.01/gal nationally ($6.43/gal in California)
-Rumors of a 75-basis-point rate hike by Federal Reserve officials later this week, though critics are declaring “too little, too late” when it comes to Federal response to inflation

Across Fox Business, Bloomberg, and CNBC, most of May was spent squabbling over the technical definition of a recession, whether we’re already in a recession, whether selling-off is a loser’s mentality – all discussions which take place before the collective realization of a recession sets in among experts. Moving into June the experts across these financial networks are now matter-of-factly speaking to an impending recession despite the reluctance of the Treasury Secretary and Federal Reserve Chair to forecast such warnings.

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« Reply #17306 on: June 14, 2022, 11:05:51 AM »

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« Reply #17307 on: June 14, 2022, 11:27:39 AM »
A recession will drop oil prices, as usual, just as high oil prices tend to cause recessions.
Yes that is a general trend, but there is always the problem of the government enacting policy (think Keynesian) that cause the demand curve to shift out as a whole from the x-y axis and we get stagflation, a period of rising prices with a recession.  Personally this is my concern with keeping a democrat controlled congress.  More and more stimulus, spending bills and generally wonky policy that just make things worst.  The solution will be rising interest rates to pull back the money supply by the fed and while you will earn more on your money, you money buys less and less. Not looking forward to where things are going. This is going to look real bad compared to the so called "great recession" which much ado about nothing. 

Only good thing for me is I can weather the storm even though I won't like it, but lots of people won't be able.

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« Reply #17308 on: June 14, 2022, 11:38:01 AM »
This is going to look real bad compared to the so called "great recession" which much ado about nothing.
Disagree with this, and that was not a recession in 2008, it was a full scale depression, and it most certainly wasn’t “much ado about nothing”. That was the perhaps the single largest destruction of world wealth we’ve ever witnessed, and it was perpetrated by out-right legalized fraud/crime by Wall St goons.

That is not what is remotely going on here. And it will not be anywhere near as bad. This will probably look more like the mid to late 70s or early 80s.

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« Reply #17309 on: June 14, 2022, 11:40:09 AM »
sAnCtIoNs GoNuH WeRk….derrppp derrrp…dahhhhh….mE TaRdEd…DERRRRP

As Western governments sought to pressure Moscow and many countries scrambled to wean themselves off Russian energy, the volume of Russia’s fuel exports fell 15 percent in May compared with the period before the invasion. But high fuel prices caused by rising global demand have kept money flowing into Moscow’s coffers, the report said, noting that Russia’s export prices were on average 60 percent higher than last year.

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« Reply #17310 on: June 14, 2022, 11:45:44 AM »
Russia's exports fell 15%

price of gasoline in the US doubles

great math for the oil companies, OPEC, and Russia

plus China gets cheaper oil than the rest of the world
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« Reply #17311 on: June 14, 2022, 11:51:06 AM »
Russia's exports fell 15%

price of gasoline in the US doubles

great math for the oil companies, OPEC, and Russia

plus China gets cheaper oil than the rest of the world
Their sale prices rose 60% though. 

let’s say they were selling 1 mil barrels for a dollar each. Cut that down 15%. Now it’s 850k barrels. But that dollar price is now $1.60. 850k x $1.60 = $1,350,000. 

They printing money now.

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« Reply #17312 on: June 14, 2022, 12:01:33 PM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #17313 on: June 14, 2022, 12:28:45 PM »
Their sale prices rose 60% though.

let’s say they were selling 1 mil barrels for a dollar each. Cut that down 15%. Now it’s 850k barrels. But that dollar price is now $1.60. 850k x $1.60 = $1,350,000.

They printing money now.
yup, they ALL printing money
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« Reply #17314 on: June 14, 2022, 12:29:03 PM »
2007/8 was this:

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
it's paywalled, can't read. It was a lot of things. Basically full scale deregulation by the gov't via systematically gutting the SEC over the years and the repealing of federal laws like Glass-Steagall - and then Wall St going ape shit with fraud and casino gambling.

Pumping out RECORD amounts of garbage subprime loans- shit like NINA/NINJA loans- a lot of which had adjustable rates- the % all mortgage loans that were adjustable rate mortgages used to be around 5-8% give or take- around that time the number was a staggering 20-25%- and they took all those garbage loans chopped them all up and packaged that crap into CDOs and sold them to investors- but that was AFTER they were paying off the rating agencies to rate the crap as AAA. What turbocharged the destruction were the completely unregulated credit fault swaps- which essentially just acts as an insurance policy to backup the CDOs in case they default. Problem is....in insurance you can only insure what you own. You can't insure my house...but ANYONE could get CDSs to bet against the CDOs. And all the vultures did...and made billions. And some firms were even double dipping....selling the CDOs and then betting against them. The firms selling CDSs were taking record fees and profits up front- not putting any reserves aside to pay out in case there were defaults on the CDOs....that's what literally wiped the largest insurance company on the planet at the time- AIG out.

And of course the Obama administration did absolutely nothing about it. Obama was Wall Streets guy....CitiGroup basically handpicked his first administrations cabinet.

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« Reply #17315 on: June 14, 2022, 12:34:52 PM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #17316 on: June 14, 2022, 12:42:10 PM »
Manchin has stopped additional spending bills (BBB).  I doubt he's going to approve anything of that ilk.  A Republican Congress MIGHT pass some legislation but they won't overturn vetos without a lot of Dems on their side.  They can rename post offices and make new national holidays of course.

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« Reply #17317 on: June 14, 2022, 12:51:27 PM »
Manchin has stopped additional spending bills (BBB).  I doubt he's going to approve anything of that ilk.  A Republican Congress MIGHT pass some legislation but they won't overturn vetos without a lot of Dems on their side.  They can rename post offices and make new national holidays of course.
you have pointed out several times that a rep controlled congress cant do much with a dem pres and you are correct

the reverse is also true

2022 election stops the bleeding

2024 election cures the patient
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