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You are realistically looking at two options.  1)  Rent-a-cop is armed and trained well and is posted at the entrance or 2) having a teacher that is qualified enough to handle a firearm.  The problem with option 1 is that Rent-a-cop is an extra $50,000 a year from your school budget for something that is realistically not going to be used much (or hopefully ever).  The problem with #2 is that the teacher's primary job is to teach, so while he could be of help once the shooter starts roving the hallways, the shooter could have sprayed three rooms of students before the armed teacher gets there.

I get the idea, and there are certainly a couple of teachers that I might trust to handle the situation correctly, but for example, my kid's elementary school (at that time) had literally 12 teachers total, and 8 were female aged 26 or younger.  While I might be painting a broad brush, I'm fairly certain that not a single one would be competent to handle a gun.  And the turnover rate in schools is decently high.  You don't want to go to the trouble of training a teacher to be prepared for this kind of situation, only for that teacher to leave at the end of the year to go to a different school.

We all like to think that "well, if I were in this situation, it would have turned out differently because of X, Y, and Z."  And to be honest, if you specifically had been there, then absolutely it might have been diffused.  But you are basing that on YOUR training, and YOUR experiences.  If you instituted an across-the-board directive that an armed guard is present at every school, you are going to get some highly qualified individuals who probably have equal to the skills that you possess.  But you are also going to get some who are.....less.  And the more financially strapped a school is, the more bottom-of-the-barrel of guard they are going to get.  Some kid as a prank slips a roofie into his morning coffee, and suddenly you have an unsecured weapon that anyone can pull from his holster.  Or maybe you get a security guard with racial issues and lousy trigger discipline. 

You are looking at this from a best case scenario perspective of a former LEO or military becoming a guard.  I am sadly looking from the opposite side, an institution that already struggles with getting its teachers basic school supplies suddenly has to fork out more money for a guard and gets the cheapest thing they can get.  I just think that the odds of getting a crappy guard that results in an accidental discharge are higher than the odds that a homicidal nutbag is walking through the door.

Two points. 1.) If we have enough money to leave $80 billion worth of equipment in Afghanistan and send another $40 Billion to Ukraine, we can come up with money to protect our schools. We just need to come together on our priorities. 

2.) While you are correct that not everyone that would be hired to protect a school would be adequately skilled to prevent such a disaster, I would rather work in that direction that leave our schools guarded with only a sign that reads "Gun Free Zone". 

Arming teachers is absolutely not the answer. Keeping doors locked is an answer. Keeping a guard at the doors? Not sure about that. This should not be the normal. 

I would not want my kids to have to go through a guard and a metal detector to get into school. That's not a good message.

We have enough of that with entering government buildings (<<scratches head wondering how and why THAT gets funded>>) and transportation centers.

Arming teachers is absolutely not the answer. Keeping doors locked is an answer. Keeping a guard at the doors? Not sure about that. This should not be the normal.

I would not want my kids to have to go through a guard and a metal detector to get into school. That's not a good message.

We have enough of that with entering government buildings (<<scratches head wondering how and why THAT gets funded>>) and transportation centers.

not sure how many schools have this situation, but hollywood would make you believe it is real

maybe not a good message, but mean tweets are better than having children shot

Also, to put it mildly, law enforcement is not acquitting themselves in all of this either. Add another part that needs a wholesale overhaul.

Duh. Like with pretty much all government, law enforcement does not attract the brightest and best. Usually attracts the opposite.

Don't even need to hire more police- just reassign them to schools. We have enough donut eating pigs on power trips writing traffic and parking tickets. Don't need that many. Reassign them to schools.

It was much easier to purchase firearms 50+ years ago including Colt’s AR15.  Yet there were relatively few mass shootings, Whitman in Austin in 1966 being the only one I can think of.  What has changed?

40 years ago, 48% of homes in the US had at least one firearm. That number is now 32%. Fewer and fewer people/homes are owning guns- and it's more difficult to get/purchase guns now.

What has changed? Mental institutions have been closed down, our society keeps pushing consumerism and materialism down peoples throats more and more which does nothing but cause decay of the entire society, people spend all day sitting in front of a screen and watching crazy sh*t on the internet and not going outside and interacting with actual people in real life, and the entire middle class has been eroded- there are no good paying manufacturing jobs in the US- literally millions of them left- people are in despair or poverty and that's usually when they turn to drugs/violence.

There are a lot of causes, it's not just one thing. And religion definitely has zero to do with it. Less than zero, actually.

Doesn't matter since violent crime overall is down (lol) as Atheism is on the rise.

Honestly I am surprised that they are even covering this, since it was a hispanic crossdresser. You'd think it would get swept right under the Chicago gun violence/Islamic terrorism rug.

Violence has been going down drastically over the centuries as the world has gotten less religious. This is an indisputable fact. Norway, Sweden, and Japan are majority agnostic/atheist - tons of gun violence and violent crime in those countries. Oh wait...no, there isn't.

Steven Pinker wrote a great book on violence, it's called The Better Nature of Our Angels. You should read it. 

We literally live in the most peaceful time in recorded human history. You just hear about the heinous stuff immediately and you hear about it more because of 24/hr cable/internet cycles.

this is pretty fkn disgusting....YouTube just removed/scrubbed the 2014 call between US diplomats Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt proving US was complicit in the Maidan coup in Ukraine...the “Yats is our guy” tape- which showed beyond a shadow of a doubt the US was behind the overthrow of a democratically elected President in Ukraine- and hand-picked the replacement interim govt.

Google is basically in the pocket of the US govt. Pathetic fkn company. Really starting to think about terminating all business with them.


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Youre just now realizing this?