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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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« Reply #16758 on: May 25, 2022, 08:32:53 AM »
Quote from: ELA on May 24, 2022, 10:04:15 PM
I'm not.  I'm ashamed that America can't figure out our gun problem, and kids keep dying because we love guns more than we love them
We don't have a gun problem, we have a law and order problem, a mental health problem and a problem with people that have no respect for life, each other or themselves. I have a safe full of guns that to date have killed or injured no one. They are not a problem. But they are there if the need ever arises unlike in places where they are prohibited,  you know where these incidents keep occuring. 
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« Reply #16759 on: May 25, 2022, 08:37:56 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2022, 11:41:25 PM
No one who frequents this site wants these things to happen.

But there are 2 groups:  one who says 'this is intolerable and something must change' and one who says 'you ain't taking my guns.'
Yes, I find that disgusting.
You are ignoring the third group, those of us that know there is a problem and also understand it is NOT access to firearms by law abiding citizens.

I don't have the statistics readily available, but there are hundreds of thousands of crimes being prevented or stopped by innocent and legal gun owners every year. Perhaps if this was publized more, people would begin to understand it is not the gun that is the problem, it is the nut cases that we as a society, fail to address in a meaningful way. Most of the people that do these things are well known to the community and even law enforcement, but are not addressed until after they commit the crime. Perhaps if we start there, we can begin to prevent some or most of these issues. 
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« Reply #16760 on: May 25, 2022, 08:41:39 AM »
Quote from: ELA on May 24, 2022, 11:58:45 PM
That even the most "legitimate" use of something is still worth making fun of?  Nah, I'm good with my stance.

If you need a gun to feel big, I know where you stand

You are painting with a wide brush and insulting millions of legal gun owners in this country. Your ignorance about guns and those that own them is revealing. If you were interested, I would love to take you to a trap shoot sometime and learn a little bit about something you seem to want to condem. 
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« Reply #16761 on: May 25, 2022, 08:56:43 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2022, 03:32:25 AM
How about mandatory background checks on all gun sales?  Certain people bitch about all the Mexicans sneaking into the US, but seem to ignore the 6.6 million guns sold with no background check needed each year.  Weird blind spot to have, especially when even 3/4 of NRA members support this idea.  But certain congressional members don't even want to put it to a vote.  Hmmm.
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High-volume magazines on military-style guns - the guns that mow people down probably aren't needed for hunting or to stop a home intruder.  They're really effective when I have a room full of children I want to shoot, though. 
Those guns were designed for one thing:  killing as many people as possible in one go.  Not home defense.  Not Constitutional rights.  These are weapons the founding fathers couldn't fathom. 
Another post ignorant of the facts. 

You want universal background checks on all gun sales? How do you enforce that? I have a gun that I don't use but I have a friend who would like to use it for hunting. In your world, I would need to either obtain a Federal Firearms License and perform a background check on him (who by the way already owns many of his own guns and has a Concealed Carry Permit) or I need to broker the sale through a FFL holder. All of this cost extra money and is unneccesary. And this very scenerio is the majority of the 6.6 million guns sold every year. 

And if this was required, how would it be enforced? I can easily take that gun to him and have him pay me with or without that law. How does the government prevent that? 

And the final point is that this is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. 

As to your issue about "high capacity" magazines, you again show your ignorance. First, the 2A was established not so that people could hunt but as a method of ensuring that the government does not run roughshot over the people. The Framers supported that notion that the people should posses MILITARY GRADE weapons. This was intentional. This is also been usurped by the Federal Firearms act of 1934 by banning automatic weapons. This is a direct violation of the 2A and should be thrown out. 

The second issue with your proposal to ban "high capacity" magazines is that it effectively does nothing. Someone intending to mow down people can just as easily use 5 30 round mags or 12 10 round mags. With just a little practice, it takes about a sec or two to change magazines. That is less time than it takes to acquire a target making this proposal less that useless. 
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« Reply #16762 on: May 25, 2022, 09:06:14 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 25, 2022, 07:00:57 AM
This is correct. 

how does “ the right to bare arms” include high capacity assault rifles? 

We now know this nut purchased them easily, on his 18th birthday. Does anyone here really think that’s ok?

We now know he posted threatening stuff on social media prior to getting the guns.  Is anyone really ok with that?

I own a handgun.  I keep it at my house.  I have never needed to use it. Nobody has ever threatened to take it from me.

For what legitimate purpose do I need an assault weapon? 

More common sense gun laws won’t completely solve this- but it sure as hell would reduce the ability for these nut jobs to do so much killing so quickly. Why can’t we make it much harder for people who have these thoughts to do it so easily?

Why can’t you have to prove yourself mentally fit to purchase a weapon, and why do we allow assault weapons in public at all?

Define assualt weapon. (HINT: it is a made up term used to stoke fear on people that know little to nothing about firearms). Any object used to harm another person is an assault weapon. 

What other of your rights would you like to put to a test in order to exercise? How about the first amendment right to free speech? Should you take a test to determine if you are allow to speak in public or post on an internet message board? 

What happened in Texas was appalling and is a tragety commited by a deranged individual. The tool of choice is NOT the issue. Timothy McVeigh killed far more people than that using nothing but a truck, some fertilizer and diesel fuel. Should be ban those things also?

Everyone that has the least bit of a moral compass knows that what happened yesterday was wrong and we are all looking for someone to blame. Our minds and our morals lead us in this direction. But instead of looking at the person that did this horrible thing because he is already dead, people now are looking eslewhere to determine what can be done to prevent it from happening again. And it is all to easy to focus on the inanimate object used. There are over 330 million guns in the hads of the American people, we are NOT going to get them off the street. 
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« Reply #16763 on: May 25, 2022, 09:17:29 AM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on May 25, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
We don't have a gun problem, we have a law and order problem, a mental health problem and a problem with people that have no respect for life, each other or themselves. 
All of these can be problems.  It's not an either/or
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« Reply #16764 on: May 25, 2022, 09:39:40 AM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on May 25, 2022, 09:06:14 AM
Define assualt weapon. (HINT: it is a made up term used to stoke fear on people that know little to nothing about firearms). Any object used to harm another person is an assault weapon.

What other of your rights would you like to put to a test in order to exercise? How about the first amendment right to free speech? Should you take a test to determine if you are allow to speak in public or post on an internet message board?

What happened in Texas was appalling and is a tragety commited by a deranged individual. The tool of choice is NOT the issue. Timothy McVeigh killed far more people than that using nothing but a truck, some fertilizer and diesel fuel. Should be ban those things also?

Everyone that has the least bit of a moral compass knows that what happened yesterday was wrong and we are all looking for someone to blame. Our minds and our morals lead us in this direction. But instead of looking at the person that did this horrible thing because he is already dead, people now are looking eslewhere to determine what can be done to prevent it from happening again. And it is all to easy to focus on the inanimate object used. There are over 330 million guns in the hads of the American people, we are NOT going to get them off the street.

An AR—15 with high capacity. 

I DID focus on the person. 

Are you OK with an 18-year-old purchasing two AR fifteens on his 18th birthday with zero background check of any kind in a troubled past including social media posts?

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« Reply #16765 on: May 25, 2022, 11:23:15 AM »
All of the above are parts of the problem.  120+ guns per 100 Americans is part of the problem. American gun culture (more specifically, those who view firearms as anything more than tools with specific rules for their use) is part of the problem. 

Making potential counselors, teachers, therapists, and social workers go 6 figures in hock for masters degrees, then brag about paying them $38K a year is part of the problem. 

Men who control, manipulate, and physically harm the women in their lives are part of the problem. There is ALWAYS misogyny involved.

And while I don't know everything that would go into a solution, I know some things that are NOT part of the solution.

More guns isn't part of the solution. We're seeing that now. Yesterday's shooter legally obtained his firearms.


https://twitter.com/KENS5/status/1529439423447834624?s=20&t=og3T0XasIVyx6-b5Q_J7RA

Hardening targets is performance art and isn't part of the solution, either. The Sandy Hook shooter shot his way in. Yesterday's shooter shot his way in. Previous shooters in Texas went after Wal-Mart, a flea market, and Fort Hood.  Hell, we won't even pay for maintenance of the systems we have.

It's interesting that we're talking about wholesale, systemic change on the second anniversary of Minneapolis PD officer Derek Chauvin killing George Floyd in cold blood. Last fall, the voters of Minneapolis roundly rejected the best chance for a wholesale overhaul of the MPD, and re-elected a strong mayor to a second term.
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« Reply #16766 on: May 25, 2022, 11:46:13 AM »
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« Reply #16767 on: May 25, 2022, 11:56:03 AM »
So he bought them legally with full BG check.
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« Reply #16768 on: May 25, 2022, 11:59:01 AM »
I don't believe a background check is required in Texas.

I do think it should be, just as it is here in Florida.
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« Reply #16769 on: May 25, 2022, 12:19:45 PM »
It is a Federal requirement 
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« Reply #16770 on: May 25, 2022, 12:51:14 PM »
Color me corrected, however, how can one do a background check if there is no wait period?

How long did he have these guns? If it was longer than a few days, a background check would have outed him.
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« Reply #16771 on: May 25, 2022, 01:01:07 PM »
If he purchased them legally then he had to have a background check. That is a Fed law. 

An AR15 is no more an assault weapon than a single shot 22 rifle. I have an AR15, it is simply a Semi-Automatic rifle that looks scary because it is black. I have other rifles that are much more powerful and can fire every bit as fast as an AR15 but no one wants to worry about those. 

One of my favorites is a Remington Model 742 30-06 semi automatic with 10 and 20 round magazines. If you know anything about firearms, an AR15 would not hold a candle to the damage that gun can do. 
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