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Drew4UTk

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« Reply #15666 on: April 13, 2022, 06:09:11 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 13, 2022, 05:56:36 PM
I suppose I could be wrong. Still, in the imaginary world we’re talking about, those 4,000 rounds are aimed at cops and soldiers, which feels like it would take a big change in those groups to get there.

I ask this somewhat academically, what is the arriving wokeness within the marines?
it isn't the 'arriving wokeness' that's the problem, if you are to refer to 'this' generation just entering.. that shit can be shook free and clean in the 12 weeks of basic. 

the ranks above- those that don't comply are sent packing.  the sheer volume of CO's, XO's and SGTMJR's being 'fired' is astounding... more than that, over the last decade there has been a purge of leadership- those with anything less than the appreciated political views are wiped, where as those remaining fill the vacuum above them.  the sequestration under obama relieved a great many of these 'types', and in the mid range 'field' grade.. guess who's flag officers now? .... a: those 'compliant', and they're focused on "woke" and believe anyone who voted for trump a domestic terrorist aka white supremacists'.   

we're not going to make it as a nation, together, that much longer.  we're focused on tribal freaking class angst and money, all while those set to keep us apart laugh their asses off.  evidence enough is the absolute attention and focus on social contracts, which is far outside of legislators or even justices jurisdiction- why are they focusing on it? to keep us at war... together, and with time between crisis's to catch our breath, 'they' get thrown in jail or tossed on some barren island in the north atlantic... but instead, they 'rule' over us... the military was a problem for them for years... it is quickly becoming an asset. 
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« Reply #15667 on: April 13, 2022, 06:13:06 PM »
If the two parties actually worked and compromised to get things done, they'd alienate their motivated bases to right and left, and leave those in the middle rather apathetic.  To get money and volunteers, they need us INCENSED at those bastards on the other side, so both make excuses why they don't pass any sensible legislation.  That gets everyone mad and motivated, and the two parties get what they want.

There is ample compromise available, it would disappoint some, but most would think "Well, OK, we got this and gave that", but then we'd not be donating and whatever else.
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« Reply #15668 on: April 13, 2022, 06:17:52 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 13, 2022, 06:13:06 PM
If the two parties actually worked and compromised to get things done, they'd alienate their motivated bases to right and left, and leave those in the middle rather apathetic.  To get money and volunteers, they need us INCENSED at those bastards on the other side, so both make excuses why they don't pass any sensible legislation.  That gets everyone mad and motivated, and the two parties get what they want.

There is ample compromise available, it would disappoint some, but most would think "Well, OK, we got this and gave that", but then we'd not be donating and whatever else.
i used to believe the bizarre positions of the left were a negotiating ploy in effort to drag the belligerent right to where they actually wanted them.... but that either brought the crazies out else they really are that crazy.  at this point? they're effin nuts, end of story. 

meanwhile, the states allowed the feds too much control and did so by naming their price- SOLD.... try to buck the feds? they'll pull funding... funding that, curiously enough, arrived in their coffers FROM the states... go friggin' figure.  
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« Reply #15669 on: April 13, 2022, 06:20:41 PM »
I think also the extremes on the right and left get most of the print, so "we" tend to think "everyone on the "X" is like "Y"".

They aren't.  
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« Reply #15670 on: April 13, 2022, 06:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on April 13, 2022, 06:09:07 PM
Yeah I couldn’t understand that comment. Most folks with guns identify with self-defense, protecting their families, and protecting their property.    The stereotypes are so thick they’re amazing sometimes.
I’m wrong in my stereotype that those who are well armed tend to feel a kinship with LEOs and servicemen? I feel educated and corrected, then. 
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« Reply #15671 on: April 13, 2022, 06:25:01 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 13, 2022, 06:20:41 PM
I think also the extremes on the right and left get most of the print, so "we" tend to think "everyone on the "X" is like "Y"".

They aren't. 
i wish i agreed with you on that.  

the left- until very recently- was unified... the right has always been discombobulated with those damn near left (rino's) and those that should be likely on a watch list rather than drafting or passing laws.  the left is truly crazy right now.  literally.... 

20 years ago my granddad, ripped from the grave an reanimated would have demanded to know who those people on the left are? he'd recognize those on the right as democrats... now? he'd recognize none of it except by title.  

seriously, we're talking and debating, hating and fighting over race, over what plumbing you have as opposed to what plumbing you say you have.. 
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« Reply #15672 on: April 13, 2022, 06:29:30 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 13, 2022, 06:22:01 PM
I’m wrong in my stereotype that those who are well armed tend to feel a kinship with LEOs and servicemen? I feel educated and corrected, then.
hell, man... we can't even determine anymore if police are good guys are not... the left doesn't want you to think so.  they are all about rioting and burning cities down to make their statement- encouraging it loudly..... but Jan6?  THAT, y'all, was an i-n-s-u-r-r-e-c-t-i-o-n..... and a bold face lie... it is/was no better or no worse than the lunacy in the streets all summer.  

keeps us apart, though, huh?  
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« Reply #15673 on: April 13, 2022, 07:15:11 PM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on April 13, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
hell, man... we can't even determine anymore if police are good guys are not... the left doesn't want you to think so.  they are all about rioting and burning cities down to make their statement- encouraging it loudly..... but Jan6?  THAT, y'all, was an i-n-s-u-r-r-e-c-t-i-o-n..... and a bold face lie... it is/was no better or no worse than the lunacy in the streets all summer. 

keeps us apart, though, huh? 
I don’t totally know what this means, but I feel like it keeps people apart
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #15674 on: April 13, 2022, 07:40:16 PM »
BaB sure doesn't know what a lot of stuff means. 
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #15675 on: April 13, 2022, 07:59:49 PM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on April 13, 2022, 06:25:01 PM


the left- until very recently- was unified... the right has always been discombobulated with those damn near left (rino's) and those that should be likely on a watch list rather than drafting or passing laws.  the left is truly crazy right now.  literally....

You're talking about the voters here, right?

Because when it comes to the politicians, it's reversed.  The Dems lose all the time because they're branching out in all different directions in search of another tiny group that's being marginalized.  Meanwhile, all the Rs fall in line behind the head turtle from Kentucky.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #15676 on: April 13, 2022, 08:01:18 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on April 13, 2022, 07:40:16 PM
BaB sure doesn't know what a lot of stuff means.
But I do know that means someone is being a childish troll. We can all be united in seeing that. 
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« Reply #15677 on: April 13, 2022, 08:08:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 13, 2022, 07:59:49 PM
You're talking about the voters here, right?

Because when it comes to the politicians, it's reversed.  The Dems lose all the time because they're branching out in all different directions in search of another tiny group that's being marginalized.  Meanwhile, all the Rs fall in line behind the head turtle from Kentucky.
This is where vantage is the major factor in what you see... beyond help. 

Im extremely conservative I've made no secret of, however, you, me, or anyone else in good legal standing and an adult in age has the right in this republic to decide on your own what you support and I'll actually bleed or make someone bleed to support that even if we disagree on an individual level. 

But you (and i) mentioned party's. 

I despise party's.  De-spise.  Theyre nothing but gangs.  Theyre gangs that do far more damage and about as much good as street gangs or organized crime. 

We've been duped.  Some of us want to stay that way. 
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« Reply #15678 on: April 13, 2022, 08:10:21 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 13, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
But I do know that means someone is being a childish troll. We can all be united in seeing that.
I don't know what that means. 
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« Reply #15679 on: April 13, 2022, 08:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 13, 2022, 06:07:44 PM
True enough, they were more accurate and effective at greater distances, several hundred yards, than were military muskets. But accuracy came at a price: rifles took too long to load. A minute or more was needed to tightly “patch” the ball and carefully ram it down the barrel to engage the rifled grooves that spun the ball and gave it true trajectory.
Exactly and the British muskets were not rifled .This is why patriots could pick them off at longer distances as that painting depicts. But ride that narrative,There were Swiss-German Gunsmiths in Pa. that supplied "Rifles" a craft perfected from their home lands. They weren't going to float around in front of the Crown's Corporals like a Carnival Shooting Gallery.When they could chose their distance and drop them like Frontier Buffalo hunters.The game didn't have rules and the fox huntings snobs didn't like it.

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"I never in my life saw better rifles,or men who shot better,than those in America." - Lt.Colonel George Hanger,4th Baron Coleraine,considered one of the fines marksmen in all of Europe

[color=var(--wp--preset--color--vivid-red)]At the Battle of Saratoga, wilderness settler and rifleman, Tim Murphy, was ordered specifically by Benedict Arnold to target an officer vigorously directing and supporting troops.  Spotting General Simon Fraser of the Twenty-fourth Foot, Murphy lifted his ‘grove bore’ rifle and mortally wounded Fraser at three hundred yards in an incredible display of marksmanship, this in a day when the average ‘smooth bore’ musket was fortunate to hit its intended target at sixty yards.[/font][/color]


During the colonial period, settlers and pioneers became trained sharpshooters. They had to learn the skill in order to protect their families and provide food and clothing from the hides of animals. Their weapon of choice was designed so that a marksman could effectively kill a squirrel jumping out of a tree at three hundred yards or better. Because of its remarkable craftsmanship and accuracy this weapon, or rifle, soon became known throughout the world.  Though thousands of muskets and rifles were made in Europe, the Kentucky Rifle, custom made in American, developed a reputation as the finest rifle made, and the premier firearm for over a century.

[color=var(--wp--preset--color--vivid-red)]The Kentucky Rifle was made in, of all places, Pennsylvania. Settlers who moved west of the Cumberland Mountains and east of the Mississippi River took  their chosen weapon, the rifle, with them into what was known as the Kentucky wilderness; hence its name. Immigrant gunsmiths and those of German and Swiss descent settled in Lancaster County, making it the rifle-making center of the colonies. These men soon became some of the most versatile artisans in the area.
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Though the American gun-smith was an amazing craftsman, keep in mind that he learned his skill from European masters who had spent years in apprenticeship. German and Swiss firearms were considered superior, and the American rifle was derived and enhanced from these weapons. The European rifle was developed as a sporting piece for aristocrats and noble huntsmen before the military took an interest. Among the first to develop rifle companies were the Hessians, particularly Jaegers, who carried short, large-bore rifled guns, which were far different from the highly effective American rifle with its longer barrel and smaller caliber which made them more deadly accurate.
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