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« Reply #14574 on: March 17, 2022, 09:31:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 07:42:42 AM
Technology can exist, but practical employment soon enough may not.  You can't force some things to happen quicker by throwing money at it.  We probably could facilitate faster adoption of EVs for example, but only slightly, and not very fast.  It's still a tiny portion of the fleet, and will remain so for a long long time no matter how much we spend.  But maybe someone has an actual PLAN somewhere?

Or do we just semi-randomly throw money at it?
The absolute lack of imagination by our government continues to astound me. We have all sorts of tools to combat the need for gasoline - non gas using cars being one, but mass transit, the internet, etc. We are the biggest or one of the biggest markets in the world, and when faced with rising fuel costs, the only bullet we seem to have is begging. It's pathetic.
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« Reply #14575 on: March 17, 2022, 09:32:54 AM »
What is a tool government could use here that would make a difference?  

The issue with gasoline is current and fairly urgent, some "plan" to do something years down the road might be OK, or not, but it's years down the road.
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« Reply #14576 on: March 17, 2022, 09:45:21 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 07:42:42 AM
Technology can exist, but practical employment soon enough may not.  You can't force some things to happen quicker by throwing money at it.  We probably could facilitate faster adoption of EVs for example, but only slightly, and not very fast.  It's still a tiny portion of the fleet, and will remain so for a long long time no matter how much we spend.  But maybe someone has an actual PLAN somewhere?

Or do we just semi-randomly throw money at it?
Its not a matter of forcing its a matter of holding it back
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #14577 on: March 17, 2022, 09:47:08 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 17, 2022, 09:31:46 AM
The absolute lack of imagination by our government continues to astound me. We have all sorts of tools to combat the need for gasoline - non gas using cars being one, but mass transit, the internet, etc. We are the biggest or one of the biggest markets in the world, and when faced with rising fuel costs, the only bullet we seem to have is begging. It's pathetic.
What are some of these tools we have at our disposal?  
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« Reply #14578 on: March 17, 2022, 09:49:48 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
What are some of these tools we have at our disposal? 
I literally just mentioned some.
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« Reply #14579 on: March 17, 2022, 09:51:28 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 09:32:54 AM
What is a tool government could use here that would make a difference? 

The issue with gasoline is current and fairly urgent, some "plan" to do something years down the road might be OK, or not, but it's years down the road.
Rinse and repeat every other year or so. I've heard this so many times in my life, I should get a tattoo. "There's nothing that can be done in the next few months, and surely once we weather this, it will never happen again."
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« Reply #14580 on: March 17, 2022, 09:51:51 AM »
Those are things you just mentioned.  I suppose you mean somehow magically expand mass transit and the Internet and sell more EVs, somehow?

OK, how?  What tools do we use to effect that?  How soon would it make a difference?  How much would it cost and what would be the benefit?

Or do we just wave our hands and some magic wand and all that appears out of the blue?
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« Reply #14581 on: March 17, 2022, 09:54:18 AM »
Governments are not good at spending money NOW for some benefit way down the road.  That is an inherent reality of life.

I don't think it changes because we wish it so.  Some of us try and deal with the real and the practicable.
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« Reply #14582 on: March 17, 2022, 09:56:30 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 09:51:51 AM
Those are things you just mentioned.  I suppose you mean somehow magically expand mass transit and the Internet and sell more EVs, somehow?

OK, how?  What tools do we use to effect that?  How soon would it make a difference?  How much would it cost and what would be the benefit?

Or do we just wave our hands and some magic wand and all that appears out of the blue?
Well, I don't have a spreadsheet of the costs in front of me. Surely there would be some. The benefit is having elasticity in our energy needs, less reliance on foreign countries that have some dubious leadership practices, cleaner air, better cities, better access for for people in rural areas. Probably a million other things. I'm pretty sanguine about the costs - we spent trillions on the war in Afghanistan and received no benefit - I could imagine we could spend a lot less and get a heck of a lot more.
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« Reply #14583 on: March 17, 2022, 09:59:35 AM »
Sure, that all sounds great, but it's obvious (to me) why it doesn't happen very fast, if at all.  Wishing it would happen doesn't make it so.

Presenting a viable PLAN to the populace might help, some.  Maybe not.

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« Reply #14584 on: March 17, 2022, 10:08:48 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
Sure, that all sounds great, but it's obvious (to me) why it doesn't happen very fast, if at all.  Wishing it would happen doesn't make it so.

Presenting a viable PLAN to the populace might help, some.  Maybe not.


Oh it is definitely obvious. Congress is functionally broken, the president has limited powers do accomplish much, and anything on a local level will get tied up in court indefinitely. Leadership can't even agree on a basic set of goals to accomplish, much less do anything to achieve them.
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« Reply #14585 on: March 17, 2022, 10:11:21 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 17, 2022, 07:16:33 AM
Can't say being intricately tied to Saudi Arabia is a "good" thing. I know, the deal with the devil and whatnot. But technology exists that can make us less dependent on gas prices. Make it f'ing happen. Then you aren't begging a prince who took a bone saw to your people to give you a call.
it is what it is. US has been intricately tied to Saudi Arabia for over 70 years. And it isn't just about pricing their oil in US dollars and securing US status as reserve currency of the world post Nixon shock. It's also about the recycling of said petrodollar. Saudis hold over $1 trillion inside the US in assets (real estate, pieces of US companies, etc.,) and around $120 billion in US treasury bonds.

The "begging a prince who took a bone saw to your people to give you a call" line makes no sense. MbS didn't take a bone saw to "our people". Jamal Khashoggi WAS NOT an American. He was Saudi Arabian, born and raised with Saudi citizenship. He lived in the US for 10 minutes and worked for the Washington Post for 5, and suddenly he's American? He wasn't.

You need the Saudis on your side. President F**kface has been alienating them since his days on the campaign trail before he got elected, and once he took office he refused to speak with MbS. Now the guy is returning the favor. He did it to his own stupid self.
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« Reply #14586 on: March 17, 2022, 10:15:29 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 17, 2022, 07:58:35 AM
The Progressives in Congress are in a bit of a bind here.  What can they say?  Sure, adopt EVs faster, that's facile, got it, but what else?  Suppress internal hydrocarbon production to fight CC?  And see prices in the short term continue to be high and cause pain to voters?

It's the economy stupid.  We'd all like clean air etc. but not so much when it hits the pocketbook hard.
yup. people tend to vote with their wallets. right or wrong, the inflation problem is going to wipe out the dems in the midterms. 
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« Reply #14587 on: March 17, 2022, 10:15:33 AM »
I see little benefit in pining for something that isn't going to happen.  Yes, we could be more like Europe, some day, but it's not going to happen very fast if ever.

So, I don't waste time thinking about it.

I saw a thing about where MARTA got some money in the infrastructure bill but it seemed most was slated for upgrades to existing stations.  Not extending the lines, just prettier stations.  (They are pretty utilitarian looking.)

I think some goes to proposed bus rapid transit lines.  I saw three busses yesterday, not one had a single passenger inside.
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