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Cincydawg

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« Reply #14434 on: March 15, 2022, 02:20:14 PM »
I would say "influenced", not duped.  Germany in particular went off on their "Energiewend" or whatever it was that included closing their power reactors.  Then they couldn't develop their own NG resources.  LNG from the US was expensive.

Whoever paid to build Nord Stream II got hosed.  Germany is an object lesson on how NOT to approach climate change.
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« Reply #14435 on: March 15, 2022, 02:31:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 15, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
I would say "influenced", not duped.  Germany in particular went off on their "Energiewend" or whatever it was that included closing their power reactors.  Then they couldn't develop their own NG resources.  LNG from the US was expensive.

Whoever paid to build Nord Stream II got hosed.  Germany is an object lesson on how NOT to approach climate change.
The envirowhacks got duped.
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« Reply #14436 on: March 15, 2022, 02:37:57 PM »
Maybe, if they thought the Russian money was to save the environment, or if the donations were third party and they didn't know, or didn't want to know.  It's not that easy, as you know, to get some organization up and running without funding.  You can have a Greta get attention, for a brief time, but she doesn't get anything done.
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« Reply #14437 on: March 15, 2022, 02:45:19 PM »
The Green party folks knew where the money was coming from. Everybody knew where the money was coming from.

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« Reply #14438 on: March 15, 2022, 02:52:31 PM »
Some may not have known, the middle manager types, but that's no excuse.  
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« Reply #14439 on: March 15, 2022, 03:11:04 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 15, 2022, 02:45:19 PM
The Green party folks knew where the money was coming from. Everybody knew where the money was coming from.


Of course they did.

The Greta's got duped.
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« Reply #14440 on: March 15, 2022, 03:27:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 15, 2022, 02:14:22 PM
I don't see how you can title it being "duped" when everyone knew it was happening at the time, and had been happening for years and years, for over a decade.

They went in eyes wide open.  They just didn't think that becoming heavily reliant on energy from Putin's Russia was any big deal.

In many ways it's quite similar to how the US has become so heavily dependent on manufacturing, critical supply chain elements, and critical raw materials, coming from China.  We knew how heavily dependent we'd become, we just didn't see it as a big deal. 

A lot of people-- people that make the most important decisions for the US corporations and government-- still don't understand that it's a big deal. 
I find the idea of “dependence” in this context interesting. Mostly because I don’t totally know how real it is. Like, the price of “independence” would be enormous, with some spiraling impacts on cost of living, etc.
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« Reply #14441 on: March 15, 2022, 03:31:45 PM »
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« Reply #14442 on: March 15, 2022, 03:34:08 PM »
Quote from: ELA on March 15, 2022, 03:31:45 PM
Finally found an enemy all Americans can oppose


https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1503805130994601995?s=20&t=KqORL7MnAsrheo3FPNaeEg
I've been arguing for permanent DST for years. 

Which is just nothing more than never moving our clocks twice a year again, and declaring that each time zone is one hour east of where it is now. 

So instead of Eastern Time being GMT -5:00, it would become GMT -4:00, and Pacific Time would move from GMT -8:00 to GMT -7:00. 
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« Reply #14443 on: March 15, 2022, 03:35:17 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on March 15, 2022, 03:27:30 PM
I find the idea of “dependence” in this context interesting. Mostly because I don’t totally know how real it is. Like, the price of “independence” would be enormous, with some spiraling impacts on cost of living, etc.
Are you talking about Europe/Russia dependence for energy, or the US/China dependence for all the other stuff?

If you're talking about the US, I'll point out that China is no longer even considered the lowest-cost manufacturing nation for the production of many of the goods that we've moved there over the past couple of decades. There are several other nations that can produce a lot of the same products at similar or lower cost, without the threat and the baggage of the CCP.

A shift couldn't happen overnight, but a slow move of critical manufacturing and supply chain from China to other low-cost nations, would not result in some kind of catastrophic impact to cost of living in the USA.
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« Reply #14444 on: March 15, 2022, 03:41:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 15, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
Whoever paid to build Nord Stream II got hosed.  Germany is an object lesson on how NOT to approach climate change.
Seems they have top tier know how and ZERO common sense.Their cars for years have been putting all the bells/whistles that we are seing here in the last 7-8 yrs
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« Reply #14445 on: March 15, 2022, 03:44:32 PM »
I'm all for DST being the thing. I would actually prefer Florida be in the Central time zone.
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« Reply #14446 on: March 15, 2022, 03:45:47 PM »
My Dad has always referred to Daylight Savings Time, and Daylight Wastings Time.  He'll be delighted with this prospect.

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« Reply #14447 on: March 15, 2022, 03:49:08 PM »
And yes... this letter is real. It's from 2007.

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