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utee94 · « **Reply #12936 on:** February 18, 2022, 12:44:50 PM »

I think the potential Russian invasion of Ukraine is interesting and newsworthy, and the name of this thread is "In Other News" so it seems topical enough.

I think that running around and arguing ad infinitum with every single person whose opinion differs even slightly from your own, is probably exhausting, and is likely to result in one becoming sick and tired of a subject.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12937 on:** February 18, 2022, 12:53:31 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 12:44:50 PM

I think the potential Russian invasion of Ukraine is interesting and newsworthy, and the name of this thread is "In Other News" so it seems topical enough.

I feel like an actual INVASION is interesting and newsworthy, not a potential invasion. We're just speaking about hypotheticals that so far, have not come to pass. You do realize the US state dept. and the mainstream news propaganda machine has been screaming RUSSIA TO INVADE ANYDAY NOW OH NOOOOO - for months, right? They've been making all kinds of wild unsubstantiated accusations and claims- with very little pushback from the press. The one time I saw a reporter pushback on them- dude was called a Russian agent. And they just won't f**king stop with the noise. I'd say I'm more sick and tired of being punched in the face and bombarded by RUSSIA TO INVADE UKRAINE TOMORROW hype and headlines for months than arguing on this board. I can argue all day long, I'm a jerk-off.

Like, wake me up when they actually invade. Until then, stfu press. And say Russia invades Ukraine. So what? How does this affect anyone in the United States or this country at all? It really doesn't. I'm with Badge. Not our problem. And to act like the US has played zero role in these tensions- just comically head in the sand, pie in the sky naïveté.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #12938 on:** February 18, 2022, 12:54:24 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on February 18, 2022, 12:40:08 PM

yeah, I'm sick and tired about talking about Ukraine and Russia at this point. What will be will be. And quite frankly I truly do not give a squirt of piss if Russia invades Ukraine. Not the US's problem and it's not worth one drop of American blood or a single penny of US treasure.

Interesting fact: former Heavyweight champion boxer Vitali Klitchscko is the mayor of Kiev. If he's so concerned about the defense of his country, maybe he should challenge Putin in a fist fight to the death. Winner takes the others country, loser well... dies. I'd pay serious money on PPV to watch that.

They should take a lesson from this:

https://www.upworthy.com/in-the-90s-two-companies-were-using-the-same-motto-they-arm-wrestled-to-see-who-got-to-keep-it

utee94 · « **Reply #12939 on:** February 18, 2022, 12:59:44 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on February 18, 2022, 12:53:31 PM

I feel like an actual INVASION is interesting and newsworthy, not a potential invasion. We're just speaking about hypotheticals that so far, have not come to pass. You do realize the US state dept. and the mainstream news propaganda machine has been screaming RUSSIA TO INVADE ANYDAY NOW OH NOOOOO - for months, right? They've been making all kinds of wild unsubstantiated accusations and claims- with very little pushback from the press. The one time I saw a reporter pushback on them- dude was called a Russian agent. And they just won't f**king stop with the noise. I'd say I'm more sick and tired of being punched in the face and bombarded by RUSSIA TO INVADE UKRAINE TOMORROW hype and headlines for months than arguing on this board. I can argue all day long, I'm a jerk-off.

Like, wake me up when they actually invade. Until then, stfu press. And say Russia invades Ukraine. So what? How does this affect anyone in the United States or this country at all? It really doesn't. I'm with Badge. Not our problem. And to act like the US has played zero role in these tensions- just comically head in the sand, pie in the sky naïveté.

You're doing it again. Why are you so insistent on and so passionate about shutting down anyone and everyone whose opinion differs from yours?

It's newsworthy when Russia builds up troops on the border of a sovereign nation that it once effectively owned. There's clearly a reason for it, whether the purpose is actually to invade, or not. This is the "In Other News" thread.

If you don't like talking about it, then don't.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12940 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:00:12 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on February 18, 2022, 12:54:24 PM

They should take a lesson from this:

https://www.upworthy.com/in-the-90s-two-companies-were-using-the-same-motto-they-arm-wrestled-to-see-who-got-to-keep-it

yeah but isn't Putin a former KGB agent and like a black-belt in martial arts and Klitchsko was a former elite heavyweight world champ. That'd be kinda fun to watch them beat the shit out of each other.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #12941 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:05:08 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 10:28:38 AM

Our merchants of war are opportunistic assholes but they're not the ones that chose to escalate and increase the levels of troops stationed along the border of the Ukraine. They didn't somehow force Putin to do this.

Unless you're suggesting that the American war hawks are working in conjunction with Putin? It's an interesting theory but not sure there's much chance of it being real.

In 2008 the ebola chimp Biden at a town hall meeting (when running against Obama) literally got in a woman's face stating he would get the US out of the middle east but it would take like 7 months to extract all of our "equipment".There may be a video of it here that i left. He emphasized a complete evacuation,lest that "equipment" be used on our grand children.He's obviously forgot that but his handlers didn't - that simple oversite/omission with distractions made those opportunistic assholes Billions. That simply isn't a coincidence - there's too many of them.Bush/Cheney profited in oil and government contracts during WARS in Iraq/Afgnanistan showing their true colors with spine's of a gummy bear when the fur flew in Nam

Here is an short excerpt of Eisenhower's Farewwell Address - He definately knew of the weasel in the wood pile

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peace time, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Low hanging fruit and they've picked the tree dry. Remember the comic strip POGO satirized Oliver Hazard Perry's famous declaration " we have met the enemy and he is us"

How about Lincoln's prophesy
“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.”

I'm afraid one of the finest souls(IKE & ABE) that ever incarnated saw it coming

utee94 · « **Reply #12942 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:07:56 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on February 18, 2022, 01:05:08 PM

In 2008 the ebola chimp Biden at a town hall meeting (when running against Obama) literally got in a woman's face stating he would get the US out of the middle east but it would take like 7 months to extract all of our "equipment".There may be a video of it here that i left. He emphasized a complete evacuation,lest that "equipment" be used on our grand children.He's obviously forgot that but his handlers didn't - that simple oversite/omission with distractions made those opportunistic assholes Billions. That simply isn't a coincidence - there's too many of them.Bush/Cheney profited in oil and government contracts during WARS in Iraq/Afgnanistan all the while showing spine's of a gummy bear as the fur flew in The Nam

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So I just want to get this straight-- you are saying that US military commercial interests are working directly with Putin to manufacture a reason to increase the sales of military hardware.

Because otherwise I'm not sure why you posted the above?

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12943 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:09:44 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 12:59:44 PM

It's newsworthy when Russia builds up troops on the border of a sovereign nation that it once effectively owned. There's clearly a reason for it, whether the purpose is actually to invade, or not. This is the "In Other News" thread.

they've been building up troops on that border for almost a decade. Hasn't been an invasion in 8 years. Wake me up when they have invaded. There's clearly a reason why the current US administration is trying to ratchet up tensions and push for war right now....

Biden's approval ratings are in the toilet, inflation is highest in decades, skyrocketing gas prices, an affordable housing crisis, more COVID deaths in year 1 under him with vaccines than in Trump's year of COVID without the vaccines (when he ran on- I have a plan for COVID!), an exploding border crisis, an economy that is just barely humming along, Biden going back on every single promise he ran on (student debt for one) - the Dems are about to get wiped out in the midterms and the dude will need a miracle to win in 2024- that's if his party doesn't replace him by then. Anything to get the nations mind off his absolute shitshow disaster of a presidency.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12944 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:12:51 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 01:07:56 PM

So I just want to get this straight-- you are saying that US military commercial interests are working directly with Putin to manufacture a reason to increase the sales of military hardware.

Because otherwise I'm not sure why you posted the above?

defense contractors who buy politicians by making campaign donations and buy retired CIA/NSA/Military officials who get paid by defense contractors and go on cable news or write op-ed article after article advocating for war 24/7 do not need to work with Vladimir Putin to manufacture reasons to increase the sales of military hardware. They invent boogeyman and reasons why we must push towards war constantly, in case you haven't noticed. He's just the useful idiot of the moment.

edit: it's actually even worse than just the above- as employees of defense contractors often go into government and vice versa. the current secretary of defense was a top level guy and on the board of Raytheon and made millions of dollars working for them. seem to remember one of the former ex-VP's that was a main architect of the bullsh*t Iraq war being the former CEO of Haliburton- a company that got billion dollar no-bid contracts during said war.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #12945 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:44:22 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 01:07:56 PM

So I just want to get this straight-- you are saying that US military commercial interests are working directly with Putin to manufacture a reason to increase the sales of military hardware.

Because otherwise I'm not sure why you posted the above?

I'm saying they'll manipulate any blip on the radar for their neferious pleasures. They're drunk with excess/power and want more. And when conglomerate's own corporations that own companies that own the media they can sell it any way they want. Ayatollah Khomeini's the bad guy - they win. Ferdinand Marcos the bad guy - they win. Manual Noriaga's the bad guy - they win. Pablo Escobar's the bad guy - they win. Muammar Gaddafi's the bad guy - they win. Osama Bin Laden the bad guy - they win .Saddam Hussein's the bad guy - they win. THEY have a monoply on killing the bad guys they don't mind maybe creating. The Federal Treasurey is now a propped up myth. We now have 3X the population of 1929 and if you think anything resembling checks,balances and accurate reporting of the facts,ways and means is going on in the Nations Capitol then share some of that Hippy Lettuce with the rest of the congregation.THEY killed the goose that laid the Golden Egg. Our own government now is a puppet and we the surfs.Seize the day gentleman

as the song goes"and I'm frightened by those that don't see it"

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12946 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:47:09 PM »

also something to think about.....Ukraine is a NATO partner, but not member. We know this. However, if Ukraine were ever to gain membership to NATO - (and remember NATO promised Ukraine in 2008 that they would eventually become full NATO members - and NATO reaffirmed that 2008 membership declaration in 2021 stating Ukraine WILL become members one day- but without ever specifying when they'd actually become members) - this would automatically commit all other NATO member states to the defense of Ukraine. Ukraine (as they are right to do) considers the Eastern separatists territories as Russian occupied, and they also do not accept Russia's annexation of Crimea. This means that Ukraine is being invaded and occupied and still technically at war with Russia- and if Ukraine ever were admitted to NATO- all of Western Europe and the United States would essentially be at war with Russia as they would be compelled to defend Ukraine. That might be more than a little intimidating for Putin.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12947 on:** February 18, 2022, 01:57:06 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on February 18, 2022, 01:44:22 PM

I'm saying they'll manipulate any blip on the radar for their neferious pleasures. They're drunk with excess/power and want more. And when conglomerate's own corporations that own companies that own the media they can sell it any way they want. Ayatollah Khomeini's the bad guy - they win. Ferdinand Marcos the bad guy - they win. Manual Noriaga's the bad guy - they win. Pablo Escobar's the bad guy - they win. Muammar Gaddafi's the bad guy - they win. Osama Bin Laden the bad guy - they win .Saddam Hussein's the bad guy - they win. THEY have a monoply on killing the bad guys they don't mind maybe creating. The Federal Treasurey is now a propped up myth. We now have 3X the population of 1929 and if you think anything resembling checks,balances and accurate reporting of the facts,ways and means is going on in the Nations Capitol then share some of that Hippy Lettuce with the rest of the congregation.THEY killed the goose that laid the Golden Egg. Our own government now is a puppet and we the surfs.Seize the day gentleman

as the song goes"and I'm frightened by those that don't see it"

yeah, it's pretty much par for the course. wash, rinse, repeat. What is hysterical is the US has a trend of previously backing most of these boogeyman to the hilt- then they wind up killing them years later. Almost every name you mentioned - the US backed at one point in time before they killed them lol.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12948 on:** February 18, 2022, 02:08:27 PM »

https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1494409951846010884?s=20&t=9wTaQ44RIwSafnO9Ksji1g

Mdot21 · « **Reply #12949 on:** February 18, 2022, 02:12:40 PM »

former MI6 chief spymaster admits to a think tank what we all already knew...

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1494441091768406016?s=20&t=9wTaQ44RIwSafnO9Ksji1g

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