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Mdot21

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« Reply #12740 on: February 15, 2022, 06:13:25 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on February 15, 2022, 05:10:40 PM
talking about 1/6 protesters still in jail with no trial in sight
I'd say they are more rioters or even violent rioters or trespassing rioters or property destroyers- moreso than protestors or even insurrectionists....but your point stands. Federal gov't is being pretty awful and abusing it's power and throwing the book and then some at most of these idiots. It's not a good look.
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« Reply #12741 on: February 15, 2022, 06:18:32 PM »
Revealed: majority of people charged in Capitol attack aren’t in jail | US Capitol attack | The Guardian

At least 70% of people charged in the Capitol riot have been released as they wait for trial, according to a Guardian analysis.

That high pre-trial release rate stands in stark contrast with the usual detention rates in the federal system, where only 25% of defendants nationwide are typically released before their trial.

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« Reply #12742 on: February 15, 2022, 06:25:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 15, 2022, 06:11:46 PM
I read that folks charged with Federal crimes rarely get bail, and the 1/6 protesters got bail over twice as frequently as the average.
maybe, but a lot of the sentences were pretty god damn extreme. the punishment needs to fit the crime. take the QAnon Shaman guy Jacob Chansley - prosecutors were trying to give him 51 months - he was sentenced to 41 months - nearly 3.5 years in a federal prison.

DoJ admitted in court that Chansley did not commit any violence towards anyone - yet they had him locked away in solitary confinement for 10 months - a judge denied him bail 3 times-  prosecutors tried to get a sentence of 51 months - and ultimately was sentenced to 41 months (3.5 years) in federal prison.


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« Reply #12743 on: February 15, 2022, 06:27:38 PM »
What's the average time-to-trial for defendants in the federal system?
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« Reply #12744 on: February 15, 2022, 06:30:09 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 15, 2022, 06:27:38 PM
What's the average time-to-trial for defendants in the federal system?
and call me naive, but aren't most federal charges a lot more serious than a bunch of jerk off rioters trespassing on and smashing gov't property windows and doors?

like, don't the feds typically go after and arrest the heavy hitter criminals? crime bosses, gang members, drug cartels, drug dealers, serial killers, serial rapists, and other grade A psychopaths.
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« Reply #12745 on: February 15, 2022, 06:34:02 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on February 15, 2022, 06:30:09 PM
and call me naive, but aren't most federal charges a lot more serious than a bunch of jerk off rioters trespassing on and smashing gov't property windows and doors?

like, don't the feds typically go after and arrest the heavy hitter criminals? crime bosses, gang members, drug cartels, drug dealers, serial killers, serial rapists, and other grade A psychopaths. Trump voters
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #12746 on: February 15, 2022, 06:45:09 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 15, 2022, 06:27:38 PM
What's the average time-to-trial for defendants in the federal system?
https://www.uscourts.gov/statistics/table/na/federal-court-management-statistics/2021/09/30-3

depends on district, but at a glimpse seems to be somewhere between 8-24 months, with a median around 13-15ish. that's from filing to disposition. from the definitions section, for criminal trials it's from indictment to a not guilty verdict or sentencing if guilty. given that vast majority of trials are 3-5 days or less and that sentencing is typically done within 3 months, you could maybe knock off a month or so on average.

edit: also like to point out, most of them weren't arrested until late feb at the earliest. and a large % weren't until the summer. so we haven't yet made it to the 12-13-ish months yet for vast majority of them.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #12747 on: February 15, 2022, 06:57:02 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on February 15, 2022, 06:30:09 PM
and call me naive, but aren't most federal charges a lot more serious than a bunch of jerk off rioters trespassing on and smashing gov't property windows and doors?

like, don't the feds typically go after and arrest the heavy hitter criminals? crime bosses, gang members, drug cartels, drug dealers, serial killers, serial rapists, and other grade A psychopaths.
it wasn't just some gov storage building or warehouse. it was the capitol building with sitting congressmen and women in the middle of performing one of the most important aspects of our government.

besides, most that just went in a walked around are being given light sentences (criminal trespassing with probation or something). as of last month, median jail time was 45 days, with 25% serving no jail time. the big sentences are coming for those that either attacked police or had obvious intent to harm.
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« Reply #12748 on: February 15, 2022, 06:58:22 PM »
What happened to Buffalo Dude?  He looked like a real terror.
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« Reply #12749 on: February 15, 2022, 07:00:16 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 15, 2022, 06:57:02 PM
it wasn't just some gov storage building or warehouse. it was the capitol building with sitting congressmen and women in the middle of performing one of the most important aspects of our government.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #12750 on: February 15, 2022, 07:01:06 PM »
Rape is not Federal neither is murder usually
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« Reply #12751 on: February 15, 2022, 07:03:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 15, 2022, 06:58:22 PM
What happened to Buffalo Dude?  He looked like a real terror.
shirtless warpaint dude? he plead guilty to obstruction of official proceedings and got 41 months i think.
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« Reply #12752 on: February 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on February 15, 2022, 07:03:35 PM
shirtless warpaint dude? he plead guilty to obstruction of official proceedings and got 41 months i think.
Good.  He looked like a real threat to society.
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« Reply #12753 on: February 15, 2022, 07:11:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 15, 2022, 07:01:06 PM
Rape is not Federal neither is murder usually
SERIAL interstate is. FBI has jurisdiction there. at least in the movies....they do....
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