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Mdot21

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« Reply #12600 on: February 14, 2022, 02:05:03 PM »
I do believe that Putin's Russia is a threat to Eastern Europe, and the Eastern Europeans do, too.  I'm not sure why you'd care one way or the other about that, since you've made obvious your position as a pretty strict isolationist.  And in this instance, I'm right there with you.
I wouldn't say I'm a strict isolationist. I just think war should always be a last resort. US too often engages in wars of offense and wars of aggression. Wars of aggression should only be fought in very limited instances. I am actually FOR a war of aggression against China. I think you've seen me here many times saying the US should wipe out China right now while it still can. The longer we wait, the more powerful we let them become. China very openly says their aim is to supplant the US as the worlds power. China openly states and has implemented policies to attempt to overtake the US. Their belt and road initiative is right out in the open- they wish to completely re-route world trade. Their Made in China 2025 initiative - they openly want to supplant the US in high-tech manufacturing. They are building up their armed forces at record rates. They are continually threatening Taiwan (an actual place of vital strategic importance to the US, unlike Ukraine) - they are building artificial islands all over the South China Sea to try and claim territory and natural resources - and they openly threaten US aircraft that fly near these islands. This one is just a simple calculation- take their asses out right now while you still might be able to. In 20-30 years- might not be able to. 

I think we should only fight wars when they are of vital strategic importance or when we need to defend ourselves and our allies. If Putin was invading Germany, France, and UK - then it's a different story. He hasn't invaded Ukraine yet- nor do I think he will. He basically just wants assurances that NATO won't keep expanding and be right on his ass- and he wants to have dominance his little sphere of the world near Russia. I say let him. Who cares? Not our fight or our problem. Ukraine is of zero importance to the US. Why are we even involved there? I say make amends with Putin and put it in writing that Ukraine has no place in NATO- not now or ever. 

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« Reply #12601 on: February 14, 2022, 02:18:16 PM »
imo as far as Ukraine goes, US should tell them, we'll sell you all the equipment & arms you can afford, send some of your guys to us and we'll train 'em up- but we ain't ever getting involved in a hot war over you and you guys aren't ever joining NATO. Boom. Problem solved.

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« Reply #12602 on: February 14, 2022, 02:18:54 PM »
We need to get the government out of health care, and education.

They suck at both.
This is interesting because it would create such a radical restructuring of our society, and the externalities would be something most folks would take issue with.

We’ll start in medicine. I agree, the government should pull out of that world in a lot of ways. Requirements and tax incentives are the only reason employers provide health insurance, and that’s frankly something we need done away with. But if you provide some low-end backstop, make a lot of folks fend for themselves, you’ll see a massive market correction. Tons of short-term contraction on the medical side and in terms of HR as that industry moves toward a new market model. The long term would be better than our halfway system, but the short term issues, both in unemployment and customer problems are something I doubt the country would stomach by and large. 

Education is trickier because on balance it’s probably not profitable. And it serves the important role of daycare so millions and millions can go do jobs. In addition to that, it socializes kids, more often than not for good, and preps them with some skills, though not enough. Perhaps the private sector wants to take on that sort of challenge, but more likely than not, it’s a collective good that’s going to be extremely hard to fit into that private market mold.

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« Reply #12603 on: February 14, 2022, 02:20:32 PM »
I don't view it as practicable to "wipe out China" without using massive nuclear weapons, and that might wipe out more than just China.

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« Reply #12604 on: February 14, 2022, 02:26:51 PM »
This is interesting because it would create such a radical restructuring of our society, and the externalities would be something most folks would take issue with.

We’ll start in medicine. I agree, the government should pull out of that world in a lot of ways. Requirements and tax incentives are the only reason employers provide health insurance, and that’s frankly something we need done away with. But if you provide some low-end backstop, make a lot of folks fend for themselves, you’ll see a massive market correction. Tons of short-term contraction on the medical side and in terms of HR as that industry moves toward a new market model. The long term would be better than our halfway system, but the short term issues, both in unemployment and customer problems are something I doubt the country would stomach by and large. 

Education is trickier because on balance it’s probably not profitable. And it serves the important role of daycare so millions and millions can go do jobs. In addition to that, it socializes kids, more often than not for good, and preps them with some skills, though not enough. Perhaps the private sector wants to take on that sort of challenge, but more likely than not, it’s a collective good that’s going to be extremely hard to fit into that private market mold.
All of this belongs at the state and local level. There is no need to have the Feds involved.
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« Reply #12605 on: February 14, 2022, 02:27:29 PM »
This is interesting because it would create such a radical restructuring of our society, and the externalities would be something most folks would take issue with.

We’ll start in medicine. I agree, the government should pull out of that world in a lot of ways. Requirements and tax incentives are the only reason employers provide health insurance, and that’s frankly something we need done away with. But if you provide some low-end backstop, make a lot of folks fend for themselves, you’ll see a massive market correction. Tons of short-term contraction on the medical side and in terms of HR as that industry moves toward a new market model. The long term would be better than our halfway system, but the short term issues, both in unemployment and customer problems are something I doubt the country would stomach by and large. 

Education is trickier because on balance it’s probably not profitable. And it serves the important role of daycare so millions and millions can go do jobs. In addition to that, it socializes kids, more often than not for good, and preps them with some skills, though not enough. Perhaps the private sector wants to take on that sort of challenge, but more likely than not, it’s a collective good that’s going to be extremely hard to fit into that private market mold.
I think the key here is parents vs the Federal Government

Its not the Federal Governments job to do anything towards education but provide funds to the states for education

after that its job is done

state and local government should be the one to educate children

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« Reply #12606 on: February 14, 2022, 02:34:27 PM »
We had lunch at a new place near us called Rumi's Kitchen, it's Persian cuisine, and it was the best meal I've had in Atlanta.  I write a weekly review for our condo newsletter and gave them credit accordingly.  We loved it, it isn't cheap, but really interesting and very tasty (and hard to get into at night).  We have a lot of good places here in easy walking distance, this one is exceptional.

CS-Master-Menu-File-Jan-11th-2022-3.pdf (rumiskitchen.com)

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« Reply #12607 on: February 14, 2022, 02:53:58 PM »
All of this belongs at the state and local level. There is no need to have the Feds involved.
Ahh, thought you meant all government.

We do need to pull back government from medicine, outside some low-end baseline, but I don’t know a slow way to get employers out that doesn’t shock the system.

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« Reply #12608 on: February 14, 2022, 02:58:32 PM »
Nearly half of all US medical bills today are paid by government.

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« Reply #12609 on: February 14, 2022, 03:06:16 PM »
Nearly half of all US medical bills today are paid by government.
right. because Medicare is 99% old people- and these are the people who typically have the most serious health problems and illnesses which cost the most money to treat via surgeries or prescription drugs. 

And the government picking up the tab on this is part of the reason why medical care costs so much. Government is prohibited by law to negotiate drug prices- even though Medicare is the largest single purchaser of prescription drugs in the world. these keeps drug prices higher than they should be. for everyone. 

the waste and fraud that goes on in medicare is insane. i have seen it first hand. it's almost impossible to get caught- the ones that do usually get ratted on by someone inside with a grudge or axe to grind. and once drug companies/hospitals have their profits essentially protected by the government- they have zero reason to negotiate. the price is the price. sorry. 

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« Reply #12610 on: February 14, 2022, 03:10:22 PM »
Nearly half of all US medical bills today are paid by government.
That’s not so surprising, is it?

The government covers most of the bills for most old folks, some really poor folks and the 15 percent of the workforce that works for it. So the only way to put a dent in that is cut off one of those groups. (It also looks like that number might have bloated with a bunch of the pandemic relief getting categorized there)

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« Reply #12611 on: February 14, 2022, 03:17:14 PM »
And let’s not forget- the government is US as far as paying for things. 

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« Reply #12612 on: February 14, 2022, 03:26:42 PM »
We have this composite window made of 9 windows, each 3' by 3'.  It's a nice look, but five of them are being replaced today.  The window guy pulled a screw out of one of them and a cascade of water came out, not a good thing obviously.  The screw was in the frame around the window.  They are still having at it.


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« Reply #12613 on: February 14, 2022, 03:32:04 PM »
US spends 2.5-3x per capita on health care than every other major developed western country in the world, and yet has worse real outcomes. Entire health care and education system is broken. Not sure how you fix it- but what we've been doing for decades literally doesn't work and is a complete f**king joke.
I agree with most of your rant, but not so much on this part... 

The US has the best health care in the world, IMHO. That best health care actually DOES translate into better outcomes. If due to your SES and health insurance status you have access to the system, outcomes are great here.

Our health care SYSTEM is a giant charlie foxtrot, it offers horrifically unequal access to care, and I'd call the system broken--agree 100% there. But that doesn't mean that the care--if you have access--is worse. 

We also have some trappings of our wealth as a society that cause worse outcomes based on worse starting points. Obesity, diabetes, etc... Sadly the poorest among us are typically the most fat because they have access to cheap calories but not healthful food. But that's a completely different issue than quality of healthcare... 

 

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