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look closely at the history of Putin...

think of him what you will, and i figure we all have similar opinions of him that pays no mind to political ideolog- but.. after cursory review of his profile you'll realize he's supremely pragmatic and he plays chess in 3D... he has set himself up to 'win' no matter the outcome, here. 

this is likely unpopular to say, here, but..... the riddle of invasion is better approached by/from OUR (USA) angle... who is best served by such a diversion and why is the timing so convenient right now to escalate this thing?  THAT is how much i trust the ruling class.... and i don't care if you eat peanuts or holler at coyotes...

yup. nailed it.

yeah, OK pal. I see you keep ignoring the FACT that US assured Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch east ward. Why do you keep ignoring this? Declassified documents from 4-5 different governments prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Answer to that.

I'm not ignoring it, I just don't really care about it.  Ask the Baltics whether they're happier with NATO protection or under threat of Russian invasion?  

you're falling for the US propaganda hook-line and sinker. It's sad.

LMAO.

You're falling for Putin's propaganda, which is much, much sadder.

LMAO.

You're falling for Putin's propaganda, which is much, much sadder.

No. You are falling for the deep states though. I'll repeat AGAIN....since you have selective reading...

Putin isn't some ideologue who wishes to restore the USSR and take over all of Europe. Where is the evidence for that? Yeah, there is none. He's been in power for almost 25 years now. He kills his own people to keep a death grip on his power within his own state, sure. What dictator doesn't? The dude is more concerned with making himself, his friends, families, and allies filthy rich than he is with invading and controlling the entire world. Bottom line- US needs to stick to it's word and stop expanding NATO east, and Ukraine is of the utmost strategic importance to Russia. It's pretty f**king simple. Stop trying to make up fairy tales in your head and making it more complicated than it really is, and stop buying the bullshit US war machine/deep state/MIC/intelligence community/whatever you want to call it propaganda.

No. You are falling for the deep states though. I'll repeat AGAIN....since you have selective reading...

Putin isn't some ideologue who wishes to restore the USSR and take over all of Europe. Where is the evidence for that? Yeah, there is none. He's been in power for almost 25 years now. He kills his own people to keep a death grip on his power within his own state, sure. What dictator doesn't? The dude is more concerned with making himself, his friends, families, and allies filthy rich than he is with invading and controlling the entire world. Bottom line- US needs to stick to it's word and stop expanding NATO east, and Ukraine is of the utmost strategic importance to Russia. It's pretty f**king simple. Stop trying to make up fairy tales in your head and making it more complicated than it really is, and stop buying the bullshit US war machine/deep state/MIC/intelligence community/whatever you want to call it propaganda.

Putin has stated his goal to re-unify the former USSR publicly in the past.

You don't have to repeat your nutjob conspiracy theories, we've all heard them a million times.  Seriously, you can give them a rest.  You're not strengthening your position by spouting off like Alex Jones.

It's irrelevant WHY Putin wants Ukraine, only that he clearly does.  If he wants it for his own riches, it's still a threat to the rest of Europe.

It's certainly debatable whether or not the US should be involved in any of that, and that's where you and I agree.  I don't want to see us sending troops over there.

But that doesn't change the fact that Putin is a threat to  ALL of Eastern Europe.

What nutjob conspiracy theories? Give me a break. You're better than this bullsh*t. For a very smart guy- you're pretty dumb on this topic. Not surprising though- as the US war machine propaganda system has brainwashed vast majority of people on this like they do almost every war/conflict.

Speaking of Alex Jones- that was GREAT when veteran AP Reporter Matt Lee slammed former CIA weasel/current state department f**kface Ned Price and called him and the US gov't baseless assertions Alex Jones level conspiracies right to his face. You want to talk Alex Jones conspiracies? That's the US gov't unprovable, completely evidence-less propaganda assertions about paid Russian crisis actors and false flags and all kinds of crazy shit. 


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Putin is not the boogeyman the US has made him out to be. Russia is not a threat to the US or 99% of the world. They want to control their little corner of the world and have buffer states between them and NATO. US made promises to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch east- that is NOT conspiracy theory- it is FACT.

I'd say your assertions than Putin is the boogeyman and is going to take over Europe is a motherf**king conspiracy theory of the highest order. There is just not evidence of that and the guy has been in power for 25 years.

It's very simple. Stop making it more complicated than it is. Ukraine and Crimea were/are of the utmost strategic importance and incredibly important to the national interests of Russia. It's as simple as that. When the US helped toppled a democratically elected gov't in 2014 in Ukraine that was basically neutral between the West and Russia- and install a very pro-Western gov't - that is when shit hit the proverbial fan. Like many shitshows around the f**king world- Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria - the US is in very large part to blame for the current situation.

I don't think Putin's a bogeyman or a global threat.  I do think he's a threat to EASTERN Europe, which is what I stated.  And in particular he's a threat to former USSR bloc countries.

I agree he's never said he wanted to get the entire USSR back together, but has only lamented the fall of the USSR as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century."  Folks will read into that whatever they like, but in reality it's all completely irrelevant because Putin lies all the time, not a single word he ever utters can be trusted.

Instead you have to look at his actions.  Crimea, Belarus, and as you yourself have admitted, 8 years of attempted destabilization in Ukraine, are all you need to know about his intentions regarding former Soviet holdings.  As always, actions speak louder than words.  

And that you think I'm somehow influenced by some Deep State agenda is the really odd thing here-- if they were indeed trying to influence me into warmongering on behalf of Ukraine, they've failed.  Because I don't support engaging any US troops in any potential war that occurs there.

I do believe that Putin's Russia is a threat to Eastern Europe, and the Eastern Europeans do, too.  I'm not sure why you'd care one way or the other about that, since you've made obvious your position as a pretty strict isolationist.  And in this instance, I'm right there with you.