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utee94

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #11704 on: January 27, 2022, 09:34:46 AM »
And they have no state income tax.
You're doing a bad job of selling people on NOT moving to Florida and Texas...

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #11705 on: January 27, 2022, 09:36:52 AM »
I was around North Port this past week, new developments are going in everywhere.  I sense land prices there are relatively cheap as compared with much of developed Florida, and there is a lot of it still.  The developments look cookie cutter, some entrance and then houses packed together rather tightly, a lot of landscaping on the main road and often a gated entrance.  It has grown a lot in two years since the Braves moved there.

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« Reply #11706 on: January 27, 2022, 10:25:54 AM »
McDonald’s is just one of 1 million examples though.

And as a general rule rising labor costs are passed along to the consumer via higher prices. Otherwise businesses would be forced to reduce their profits and of course they’re not going to do that.

This does not start the inflation wheel but it definitely makes it spin faster.
no one disputes that. but it's disingenuous at best to suggest prices will more than double in price when wages go up. wages are never 100% of expenses and rarely more than 30%.

and i 100% believe the cost will almost entirely be passed on to consumers, if not more. hell, i've seen first hand "costs" that a business had passed on to consumers. bought some products just a couple weeks ago and they added a surcharge to it for shipping delays, which didn't even cost them anything. but because they were inconvenienced, their customers had to pay extra.

but increasing payroll will not lead to exorbitant prices.


It's  not $10 but it's also significantly more than the 4.3% you mentioned a page ago.
agreed, but that wasn't my suggestion. that was a purdue university study, as link previously. they've obviously done a lot more research on it that you or i, but i still find that hard to believe.
i suggested somewhere around 13%, which would roughly be the % increase in total costs if you doubled salaries and benefits (based on their latest financials), which would 100% be passed on to customers.

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« Reply #11707 on: January 27, 2022, 10:28:59 AM »
Those are local prices here in FL.

Who gets the burger only?

Nobody.

In two years, those meals will be $15.00 - unless the whole system goes robotic.

Robots don't make $15/hour.
doesn't matter the meal/burger/whatever. choose the nugget meal, or cherry pie.

cost will go up from what they are now, but not enough to throw the system haywire.

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« Reply #11708 on: January 27, 2022, 10:30:16 AM »
I was around North Port this past week, new developments are going in everywhere.  I sense land prices there are relatively cheap as compared with much of developed Florida, and there is a lot of it still.  The developments look cookie cutter, some entrance and then houses packed together rather tightly, a lot of landscaping on the main road and often a gated entrance.  It has grown a lot in two years since the Braves moved there.
Spot in CD.  And the prices in the more developed areas for land are outrageous.
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« Reply #11709 on: January 27, 2022, 10:31:25 AM »
Oh come on man, roadtrips to Bakersfield are a downright pilgrimage!




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« Reply #11710 on: January 27, 2022, 10:32:33 AM »
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« Reply #11711 on: January 27, 2022, 10:34:04 AM »
Well if they are, they'll be going up against the Beef Council.  Those guys don't mess around, so good luck with that.
Yeah, but they ain't no egg lobby. 

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« Reply #11712 on: January 27, 2022, 10:40:37 AM »
doesn't matter the meal/burger/whatever. choose the nugget meal, or cherry pie.

cost will go up from what they are now, but not enough to throw the system haywire.
Prices have gone up, mostly due to wages. Sure, meat is up 10-15 percent everywhere. We know this.

I posted a small example about our local haunt.

The floor is rising, not the ceiling.

I used the Big Mac. You can substitute anything.

For (just about) any business, the biggest cost is labor. When an owner has to pay double to get workers, we see what happens.
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« Reply #11713 on: January 27, 2022, 10:41:51 AM »
Big Mac is commonly used for this type of analysis because it's ubiquitous the world around.

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« Reply #11714 on: January 27, 2022, 10:44:41 AM »
Big Mac is commonly used for this type of analysis because it's ubiquitous the world around.
Of course.

I used my local haunt. What is sad is that they had a really awesome group of servers and bartenders. We enjoyed the relationships we built with them as customers. Now, it's like a revolving door. People move to take the next buck, and on and on. That's not good for business either. Businesses need continuity, to maintain quality service and product.
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« Reply #11715 on: January 27, 2022, 10:51:08 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/video-westchester-new-york-migrants-night-contractors

You may agree or disagree with this, as that is everybody’s right. I won’t even go there.

I am sharing this because it makes 2 points, IMO:

1.  People in office absolutely do have a very direct impact on immigration.

2.  Denying something is happening when it’s obvious that it is, which let’s be honest has gone on on this topic for a long time including right here on this forum, is not a credible approach
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« Reply #11716 on: January 27, 2022, 10:52:25 AM »
Prices have gone up, mostly due to wages. Sure, meat is up 10-15 percent everywhere. We know this.

I posted a small example about our local haunt.

The floor is rising, not the ceiling.

I used the Big Mac. You can substitute anything.

For (just about) any business, the biggest cost is labor. When an owner has to pay double to get workers, we see what happens.
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/common-food-labor-cost-percentages-14700.html

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What Are the Ranges?

Certain fast food restaurants can achieve labor cost as low as 25 percent, while table service restaurants are more likely to see labor in the 30 percent to 40 percent range, depending on the menu and extensiveness of service. Food costs (including beverages) for the restaurant industry run typically from the 28 percent to 35 percent range, depending upon the style of restaurant and the mix of sales.
This is in line with what @rolltidefan posted above. 

Labor might be the largest single cost, but it's still <50% in the restaurant world. 

If labor is 25% of cost, a doubling of labor costs should result in a price rise of 12.5% to cover the additional overhead. If labor is 40% of cost, a doubling of labor costs should result in a 20% price rise to cover the additional overhead. 

It should be noted that a doubling of the minimum wage, or even a doubling of the average wage within a business, doesn't always lead to a doubling of labor costs. As highlighted already in this thread, increased automation can replace some of that labor cost. Reduced total hours (expecting higher productivity from employees in exchange for higher wages) can also replace some of what would be a presumed doubling. 

We've all (I'm sure) been part of businesses where there are layoffs but the quantity of work doesn't decrease, it's just fewer people around to do it all. 

Either way, a doubling of wages shouldn't lead to a doubling of prices. 

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« Reply #11717 on: January 27, 2022, 10:53:33 AM »
Prices have gone up, mostly due to wages. Sure, meat is up 10-15 percent everywhere. We know this.
not sure this is accurate. it's a factor sure, but don't believe it's the main factor. Beef is up more than 10-15% to where it was pre-COVID, it's up more like 20-25%. Doubt McDonald's uses real beef though. Anyway, that's a pretty big cost increase. Oil prices have shot way up, which has been the single largest driver of inflation. Oil prices skyrocketing like that has a chain reaction which increases prices of everything across the board. The increase in beef prices and oil price has a lot more to do than small wage increases. 

McDonalds has to offer people more money- simple supply and demand. They have demand for workers, and no supply for people to take those jobs. Can't tell you how many McDonalds, Wendy's, Burger Kings I've driven past that have now hiring signs all over the main signs or the windows on the building. They even send the mailers with all the coupons and in the coupons they have been putting now hiring on the ads. They simply can't find workers- so they have to pay more money to attract workers.

 

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