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Cincydawg

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #11564 on: January 26, 2022, 10:26:18 AM »
this is a great read

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

And Chomsky nails this topic as he typically nails everything, from around 7 or so years ago. He also brings up a great point- funny how everyone is crying Crimea! Crimea! When the United States invaded eastern Cuba and took it over by gun point, still owns it today and has used Guantanamo Bay as a torture chamber to illegally capture, imprison, and torture people from 3rd world shitholes with no due process, no rule of law.....but...Crimea! Crimea!
When did the US invade "eastern Cuba"?  (The US has in the past taken territory obviously, I'm not sure that is a relevant example.)

How much "due process" is due to prisoners of war?

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« Reply #11565 on: January 26, 2022, 10:42:29 AM »
When did the US invade "eastern Cuba"?  (The US has in the past taken territory obviously, I'm not sure that is a relevant example.)

How much "due process" is due to prisoners of war?
The US took Guantanamo by gun point. The US invaded and just seized the entire port/bay in 1898. The US took it by force and forced Cuba to grant it to them in 1903. 

Why does the United States still hold it? Cuba is an independent, sovereign nation. And they do not want us there.Yet we will never leave. They have pleaded with the UN to pass resolutions calling on the US to leave. The US blocks it/shuts it down from getting anywhere. 

Ever heard of the freaking Geneva conventions? US's actions at it's Guantanamo Bay torture chamber violates its obligations under the Third Geneva Convention, the International Covenant for Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), the Convention Against Torture (CAT), and international law. No big deal though. Whatever. 

Prisoners of war. That's laughable. Prisoners of illegal wars of aggression that the US launched based off lies and in which the US invaded, destroyed, and occupied two countries for no legally justifiable reasons. Huge chunk of the people in Guantanamo were goat herders who had blood feuds with other Afghani or Iraqi goat herding cave dwellers- and the goat herding cave dwellers that sided with us would say- oh that guys a terrorist take him, him, and him. There were a f**kton of innocent people in that torture dungeon.

The entire point is....hard to throw stones when you live in a glass house. US should shut the f**k up and stop breaking international law and get their house in order and morally correct before they come at anyone else. The US gov't and it's military is the largest killing/terror machine in the entire world. It astounds me that Americans do not realize any this, nor can they ever look at the heinous actions of their own government.

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #11566 on: January 26, 2022, 10:51:37 AM »
Your notion of history is amusing.

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« Reply #11567 on: January 26, 2022, 10:55:36 AM »
Huge chunk of the people in Guantanamo were goat herders who had blood feuds with other Afghani or Iraqi goat herding cave dwellers- and the goat herding cave dwellers that sided with us would say- oh that guys a terrorist take him, him, and him. There were a f**kton of innocent people in that torture dungeon.
One of the Al Queda creeps they left out was involved with another bombing of some hotel awhile back.So ya - real victims :'(
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« Reply #11568 on: January 26, 2022, 10:59:07 AM »
Your notion of history is amusing.
Nah. Your blind spots and ignorance are amusing. Feel free to answer any of the questions in the post above instead of sticking to childish insults. Bet you won't. Because you can't. The US is an imperialistic killing machine. Greatest in the entire world at it. We don't give two flying f**ks about "democracy".  

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« Reply #11569 on: January 26, 2022, 11:00:50 AM »
What questions?  Your assumptions are rather astounding, with no evidence of torture today at Gitmo and your notion of history about Gitmo is simply false.  I see no need to try and counter your bizarre belief set.




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« Reply #11570 on: January 26, 2022, 11:10:19 AM »
One of the Al Queda creeps they left out was involved with another bombing of some hotel awhile back.So ya - real victims :'(
fun fact...Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until we toppled Saddam and they flooded in. Getting rid of Saddam was probably the worst thing we could have ever done to kick start Islamic extremism. Saddam had an iron grip on that country and he was a secular non-religious person who protected the 1 million+ minority Christian population in Iraq, jailed/imprisoned/killed Islamic extremists. There are basically no more Christians in Iraq. Thanks United States!

Also fun fact...Saudi Arabia- the US's closest ally in the middle east- funds and exports extreme wahhabism (which basically every terror/extremist group is a follower of) all throughout the muslim world. They have spent over $100 billion building schools and mosques throughout the muslim world spreading this poison.

Also fun fact...our drones which indiscriminately blow up and kill innocent people left and right create more extremists, not less. When you blow up innocent people and their entire families- you kinda give people reason to hate you and push them towards extremism. The drone program has killed countless thousands of innocents and civilians. We don't even know the actual real number, because the pentagon hides it. It's not some clean, antiseptic program. It inflicts terror and death and it's a terror generating machine.

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« Reply #11571 on: January 26, 2022, 11:15:03 AM »
What questions?  Your assumptions are rather astounding, with no evidence of torture today at Gitmo and your notion of history about Gitmo is simply false.  I see no need to try and counter your bizarre belief set.
They are not assumptions. They are facts. Are you f**king kidding me? Lol. Who cares about today. It was not that long ago it was explicitly a torture chamber. Give me a break. And yeah, they don't capture and torture anymore, because Obama said nah, let's pivot from what that Bush guy was doing and let's use these new shiny drones and just blow shit up indiscriminately killing civilians and terrorizing entire towns on the daily.

Why is the United States still occupying Cuban soil? They don't want us there. Will we ever leave? Nope. We have 900+ bases around the world. The US is an imperial power. Find it laughable when they talk about other countries aggression or other countries interferring with foreign elections. Interferring in foreign elections? That's childs play. When the US doesn't like a foreign gov't they just overthrow it.

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« Reply #11572 on: January 26, 2022, 12:17:54 PM »
Regardless of everything else, is there really no benefit to having people study art history? Does preserving culture and history have no value at all?
Who do suppose should pay for it? I don't care what a person studies, just don't hand me the bill.

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« Reply #11573 on: January 26, 2022, 12:43:39 PM »
Who do suppose should pay for it? I don't care what a person studies, just don't hand me the bill.
I mean...how many bills for someone's art history degree have you received?

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« Reply #11574 on: January 26, 2022, 12:46:41 PM »
They are not assumptions. They are facts. Are you f**king kidding me? Lol. Who cares about today. It was not that long ago it was explicitly a torture chamber. Give me a break. And yeah, they don't capture and torture anymore, because Obama said nah, let's pivot from what that Bush guy was doing and let's use these new shiny drones and just blow shit up indiscriminately killing civilians and terrorizing entire towns on the daily.

Why is the United States still occupying Cuban soil? They don't want us there. Will we ever leave? Nope. We have 900+ bases around the world. The US is an imperial power. Find it laughable when they talk about other countries aggression or other countries interferring with foreign elections. Interferring in foreign elections? That's childs play. When the US doesn't like a foreign gov't they just overthrow it.
Well hey let's be fair we do pay about $4000 a year in rent to Cuba for the area. I'm sure that's fair market value for 45 square miles of seaside property.

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« Reply #11575 on: January 26, 2022, 12:55:18 PM »
Well hey let's be fair we do pay about $4000 a year in rent to Cuba for the area. I'm sure that's fair market value for 45 square miles of seaside property.
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that is hilarious that we actually pay them $4,000. 

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« Reply #11576 on: January 26, 2022, 01:00:39 PM »
Since 2014 no one has done more to justify NATO than Putin.  Putin has said publicly that he intends to rebuild the Soviet Union and until 2014 few took that talk seriously.
Lol. Wtf. He's never said this. Once. He said something along the lines of, looking back on things 25 years later, it was probably a mistake to dissolve the USSR. He's never said or claimed to restore it. Why do people just make things up? 

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« Reply #11577 on: January 26, 2022, 01:01:07 PM »
Histrionics regarding whataboutism are completely irrelevant.

I'm an intelligent, rational human being that can hold multiple thoughts and opinions at the same time.  I can both disagree with the actions the USA has taken in the past, and also disagree with Russia invading the Ukraine. 

And Russia invading the Ukraine is the current event-- the topic at hand.

If you want to have a separate discussion about the USA's past as an imperialistic nation, have at it.  I don't care to engage, but perhaps someone else will.

But it's irrelevant within the context of discussing a Russian invasion of the Ukraine, and the USA's potential part in it.  Which, as I've stated before, I don't support.  I too believe we need to re-think our agreements with NATO.

 

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