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« Reply #11522 on: January 25, 2022, 01:41:21 PM »
In theory it does.  But for whatever reasons, I don't think we're seeing an open, efficient, free labor market operating right now.

I've been surprised at how many local jobs have increased their wages substantially, even up to 100% increase from pre-pandemic levels, and offered signing bonuses and benefits, and are still going unfilled right now.

There's a certain segment of the population that left the job market in 2020, and just isn't coming back.  They haven't all made the transition from busboy or front office into successful online marketers and influencers, they haven't all replaced old-market jobs with next-gen employment.  A lot of them just simply haven't come back.  And I have no idea how they're paying for food and rent and all of life's other necessities and requirements.  Maybe they're all living in communes now?

But so far, even radical changes to market incentives, aren't moving the needle in a lot of cases.





This too is a question that I’ve kind of been pondering in the midst of the millions great resignation think piece.

I assume there is a great contraction of spending somewhere? Maybe in the rent space? One thing I have found very interesting in American society is how living on one’s own is treated as a necessity rather than luxury, or at least it was until a couple of recessions ago.

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« Reply #11523 on: January 25, 2022, 01:42:34 PM »
I'm struck that we as a people mostly seem to want this.

The steps to depolarization involve stepping back. Turning the other cheek. Letting things roll off our back.

But we can't be unpolarized if we flip shit in our rhetoric all the time. But there's money to be made there, and a certain kind fo joy we take in it. After all, this place used to no even allow it, but we just wanted to fire off our loud takes so much, eventually, the place changed.
I don't even have to specify party here, becuase it's irrelevant:

when one side goes fuck-nuts-batshit crazy and the other side loses by remaining prudent, polarization is what you get.  It becomes an arms race of crazy until it collapses.  
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« Reply #11524 on: January 25, 2022, 01:42:58 PM »
We wouldn't be so polarized if the damn other side wasn't so deliberately divisive!
It’s a joke, but also true. 

Rage filled, polarized people are the base of power in our system. It’s a paradox. The way you build a base is with people who don’t question and fall in line, and deviation and self reflection becomes weakness not strength.

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« Reply #11525 on: January 25, 2022, 01:50:37 PM »
This too is a question that I’ve kind of been pondering in the midst of the millions great resignation think piece.

I assume there is a great contraction of spending somewhere? Maybe in the rent space? One thing I have found very interesting in American society is how living on one’s own is treated as a necessity rather than luxury, or at least it was until a couple of recessions ago.
A - the uber-wealthy are only getting richer
but also
B - there is an oddity of living spaces (and the auto indsutry) when it comes to spending......I'm going to set aside buying, because that requires X-amount of money to put down (which many don't have) plus taking out amassive loan (which most can't and some don't want to) and focus on renting.
If you want to live very cheaply, but aren't poor, you're shit out of luck.  There's the average market price for a rental at one end and the cheap level of housing for the poor.  But there's nothing in-between (as you astutely pointed out, if you want to live alone).  
I see a parallel in the car-buying market.  You can buy a new car for at least $10,000 or more, which you'd take out a loan (if you qualify) or you can buy a cheap car for (realistcally) $3 or 4,000.  But there's not much in the middle.
Anyone who could throw down $7,500 cash can afford to finance and anyone wanting a decent car, but is poor won't have that much cash to spend.


Now the answer to both situations may simply be "the market," but I'll ask it anyway......why isn't there decent, cheap housing and why isn't there financing for inexpensive cars?
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« Reply #11526 on: January 25, 2022, 01:51:35 PM »
It’s a joke, but also true.

Rage filled, polarized people are the base of power in our system. It’s a paradox. The way you build a base is with people who don’t question and fall in line, and deviation and self reflection becomes weakness not strength.
And we're supposed to pretend we don't know which party started exploiting this first.....:57:
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« Reply #11527 on: January 25, 2022, 02:07:22 PM »
Now the answer to both situations may simply be "the market," but I'll ask it anyway......why isn't there decent, cheap housing and why isn't there financing for inexpensive cars?
There has been quite a bit of effort to build affordable housing in recent years. It's a need, be it . I'm currently working on 4 projects like that. Two are for ownership, and two are for rentals.

These projects almost always face a ton of blowback from the surrounding owners, which makes them difficult to get done. NIMBY. It's not impossible, but it's not easy.

As for financing, that's a tough one for sure. Lenders are not nearly as risky as they were prior to 2008. They want to be assured that they will get their money back.
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« Reply #11528 on: January 25, 2022, 02:08:15 PM »
And we're supposed to pretend we don't know which party started exploiting this first.....:57:
It doesn't matter. It just needs to stop.

Nuking twitter and the rest of that ilk would be a start.
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« Reply #11529 on: January 25, 2022, 02:44:42 PM »
These projects almost always face a ton of blowback from the surrounding owners, which makes them difficult to get done. NIMBY. It's not impossible, but it's not easy.

One fascinating blocker is the reality of a home as asset. 

As soon as most people get into property ownership, it is expressly good for them for it to be hard for other people to get property. And they’re incentivized to do so. 

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« Reply #11530 on: January 25, 2022, 03:01:00 PM »
I don't even have to specify party here, becuase it's irrelevant:

when one side goes fuck-nuts-batshit crazy and the other side loses by remaining prudent, polarization is what you get.  It becomes an arms race of crazy until it collapses. 
This. 
 
I still believe the overwhelming majority are closer to the center than to the extremes on the left or right- almost a standard bell curve. 

for a while now- the challenge is that the people on both edges have the microphone - through social media and mainstream media.  And when they speak-repeatedly- they incite and inflame those not on the edges, and push them further from the middle and towards the extreme on their side of the curve. 

Sort of a “ forced choose a side” which just creates greater polarization and demonization of the opposite side. 

fixing it will be hard.  It requires moderation, respect, and dialogue- which leads to COMPROMISE.  When is the last time we saw that in our government?    I can’t even remember.  Those with the microphone scream immediately at anything less than full agreement. 

Why can’t they sit in a room and compromise on a plan to improve elections that both protects right to vote, and preserves election integrity. Hell- there are people in this forum that could do it if given the opportunity. 

why is everything a strict party line vote? Why can’t they design a policy on immigration that makes sense enough to be voted on by large members of both sides?

It is a hard spiral, but I wish we could break it. 
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« Reply #11531 on: January 25, 2022, 03:02:49 PM »
And we're supposed to pretend we don't know which party started exploiting this first.....:57:
It was the Whigs.  No, the Tories.

Labour?


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« Reply #11532 on: January 25, 2022, 03:04:59 PM »
It was the Whigs.  No, the Tories.

Labour?


The party I went to sophomore year of college where someone badgered us into shots of Malibu before we went out. 

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« Reply #11533 on: January 25, 2022, 03:59:14 PM »


Why can’t they sit in a room and compromise on a plan to improve elections that both protects right to vote, and preserves election integrity. Hell- there are people in this forum that could do it if given the opportunity. 

Because the true goal of the left is not to protect the right to vote but to defeat the Republicans and to do that they need 2 am ballet dumps, voter harvesting and a multitude of other fraudulent operations and they need to get election procedures out of the state's hands and into federal hands

why is everything a strict party line vote? Why can’t they design a policy on immigration that makes sense enough to be voted on by large members of both sides?

Nope again because the actual goal of the left is to import as many immigrants as possible who are needy and dependent to increase the dem vote.  Why all of a sudden are they allowing non citizens to vote in several areas.
This wouldnt be happening if these folks voted Republican
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« Reply #11534 on: January 25, 2022, 05:16:28 PM »
One fascinating blocker is the reality of a home as asset.

As soon as most people get into property ownership, it is expressly good for them for it to be hard for other people to get property. And they’re incentivized to do so.
Well, I think it's twofold. 

Your house, for most people in this country, is the biggest financial decision you'll ever make that doesn't include marriage or children. Not only is it massive from a financial sense, but it's also emotional. It's about choosing who you are, where you want to be, and what sort of community you want to live in. You put down roots, you have kids (who go to school), you become a part of that community. 

  • When outside forces like "zoning boards" try to make changes and that means the very nature of your community might change, you can't simply decouple the emotional aspects. It's your life. Do you want to blow up friendships, do you want to force your kids into new schools in a new community, do you want to uproot exactly what you've built? No.
  • When those same forces do something that will negatively affect the financial value of your asset, and you can exert political pressure to support the financial value, it's basically a no-brainer to exert that pressure to preserve it. If not only does the actions of a zoning board mean that your community will change and make you want to sell your house and move somewhere else, if the actions of that zoning board means that you're not going to get for your house what it was worth before they made their decision, you're gonna fight like hell. 

NIMBY is a lot of things, but irrational isn't one of them. 


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« Reply #11535 on: January 25, 2022, 05:39:18 PM »
Well, I think it's twofold.

Your house, for most people in this country, is the biggest financial decision you'll ever make that doesn't include marriage or children. Not only is it massive from a financial sense, but it's also emotional. It's about choosing who you are, where you want to be, and what sort of community you want to live in. You put down roots, you have kids (who go to school), you become a part of that community.

  • When outside forces like "zoning boards" try to make changes and that means the very nature of your community might change, you can't simply decouple the emotional aspects. It's your life. Do you want to blow up friendships, do you want to force your kids into new schools in a new community, do you want to uproot exactly what you've built? No.
  • When those same forces do something that will negatively affect the financial value of your asset, and you can exert political pressure to support the financial value, it's basically a no-brainer to exert that pressure to preserve it. If not only does the actions of a zoning board mean that your community will change and make you want to sell your house and move somewhere else, if the actions of that zoning board means that you're not going to get for your house what it was worth before they made their decision, you're gonna fight like hell.

NIMBY is a lot of things, but irrational isn't one of them.


Before I buy anywhere, I look at the municipal and county websites for any proposed changes. I also review the comprehensive plan. Everyone should do this, or at least hire someone to do it for them.

The neighbors bitching the loudest on one my projects are relatively new. The development is 4 years old. The adjacent property has been zoned multi-family for as far as I can go back, and has a notation in the comprehensive plan for affordable housing.

The bitches can go F themselves.

I liken it to people who live by an airport and bitch about noise, like it wasn't there when they moved in. F 'em.
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