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847badgerfan

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« Reply #11508 on: January 25, 2022, 11:09:34 AM »
We need skilled and unskilled labor. Restaurants are having as hard time hiring people as anyone else. Further, immigrants are much more likely to be harder working and do labor intensive jobs, which is why we need them. Biden should be putting out a help wanted sign, not fooling around trying to shut down the border.
No.

We just need to get the lazy asses sitting at home to go to work.

One can be a line cook with an art history degree, and actually make a career of it, with good wages.
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« Reply #11509 on: January 25, 2022, 11:15:40 AM »
No.

We just need to get the lazy asses sitting at home to go to work.

One can be a line cook with an art history degree, and actually make a career of it, with good wages.
They don't want to be a line cook. They want to learn about art history. If they can make that work for them, God bless. In the meantime, let the people who will travel hundreds of miles to be line cooks be line cooks.

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« Reply #11510 on: January 25, 2022, 11:37:33 AM »
They don't want to be a line cook. They want to learn about art history don't want to do anything. If they can make that work for them, God bless. They can't make that work for them. So what do you do with them? In the meantime, let the people who will travel hundreds of miles to be line cooks be line cooks.
Again, hard no.

Policy needs some rethinking. People need to work to earn a living. The American Way.
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« Reply #11511 on: January 25, 2022, 11:43:29 AM »
Again, hard no.

Policy needs some rethinking. People need to work to earn a living. The American Way.
The whole history of this nation is wrapped up in immigrants coming here and working their asses off. That is the American Way. Hoping that people with art history degrees will see the light and quit their jobs or stop taking care of their kids to go be line cooks seems pretty hopeless.

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« Reply #11512 on: January 25, 2022, 11:51:20 AM »
The whole history of this nation is wrapped up in immigrants coming here and working their asses off. That is the American Way. Hoping that people with art history degrees will see the light and quit their jobs or stop taking care of their kids to go be line cooks seems pretty hopeless.
Yeah. That great dream stopped around the time the Great Depression happened.



Those people came and they worked in factories, stores, etc., and they had kids who did the same thing.

What's happened since has been a nightmare, on many fronts. We have a lot of kids who don't want to do anything, and this is all enabled.

Again, we need to rethink all of this. The American Dream is not what it used to be. 
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« Reply #11513 on: January 25, 2022, 11:56:22 AM »

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Yeah. That great dream stopped around the time the Great Depression happened.
Yeah! Well, it didn't stop, but America wasn't a great destination for immigrants during the depression. Similarly, immigration slowed considerably during the Great Recession. It is a GOOD thing when immigrants want to come to your country to work. It creates economic opportunities and fills labor shortages. There's no rethinking necessary - the economy is trying to expand but our government regulations are impeding it. That song and dance is so tired it got put on the bottom of the juke box, yet here we are. It would be one thing if there was some real debate over this in the government. Unfortunately, people seem pretty united against expanding immigration so we are stuck with unfilled jobs and eventually closing businesses.

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« Reply #11514 on: January 25, 2022, 11:59:11 AM »
The Ukraine is weak, feeble, I'm going to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
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« Reply #11516 on: January 25, 2022, 12:47:08 PM »
This is kinda scary.

US believes Russia may soon launch cyberattacks against critical American infrastructure: source | Fox Business
This would be considered an overt act of war, I'm not sure Russia really wants that when American public sentiment is largely to sit out a Russo-Ukrainian conflict.

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« Reply #11517 on: January 25, 2022, 01:20:10 PM »

We just need to get the lazy asses sitting at home to go to work.
Capitalism offers several good solutions for this. 

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« Reply #11518 on: January 25, 2022, 01:24:02 PM »
A completely polarized nation.
I'm struck that we as a people mostly seem to want this. 

The steps to depolarization involve stepping back. Turning the other cheek. Letting things roll off our back. 

But we can't be unpolarized if we flip shit in our rhetoric all the time. But there's money to be made there, and a certain kind fo joy we take in it. After all, this place used to no even allow it, but we just wanted to fire off our loud takes so much, eventually, the place changed. 

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« Reply #11519 on: January 25, 2022, 01:26:20 PM »
I'm struck that we as a people mostly seem to want this.
We wouldn't be so polarized if the damn other side wasn't so deliberately divisive!

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« Reply #11520 on: January 25, 2022, 01:30:17 PM »
Capitalism offers several good solutions for this.
In theory it does.  But for whatever reasons, I don't think we're seeing an open, efficient, free labor market operating right now.

I've been surprised at how many local jobs have increased their wages substantially, even up to 100% increase from pre-pandemic levels, and offered signing bonuses and benefits, and are still going unfilled right now.

There's a certain segment of the population that left the job market in 2020, and just isn't coming back.  They haven't all made the transition from busboy or front office into successful online marketers and influencers, they haven't all replaced old-market jobs with next-gen employment.  A lot of them just simply haven't come back.  And I have no idea how they're paying for food and rent and all of life's other necessities and requirements.  Maybe they're all living in communes now?

But so far, even radical changes to market incentives, aren't moving the needle in a lot of cases.





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« Reply #11521 on: January 25, 2022, 01:38:55 PM »
Yeah. That great dream stopped around the time the Great Depression happened.

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Those people came and they worked in factories, stores, etc., and they had kids who did the same thing.

What's happened since has been a nightmare, on many fronts. We have a lot of kids who don't want to do anything, and this is all enabled.

Again, we need to rethink all of this. The American Dream is not what it used to be.
It's not a hard problem.
Since the 1970s, wages have fallen way off.  People don't want to settle for jobs they don't want because they pay far less than they once did.
It used to be financially worth it to give up on your dream, but now it's not.  And not close.
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