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OrangeAfroMan

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« Reply #10808 on: December 19, 2021, 01:56:45 AM »
Are you drunk?

I say Merry Christmas, because that's what I've always said.  No, I don't find "Happy Holidays" an affront.  It's a silly attempt at being inclusive.  It's not the same as someone shooting your dog. 
And this happy atheist says "Merry Christmas" in the spirit of Santa Claus, greedy little children, and the silly stresses people put on themselves. Seeking the ridiculous goals of reluctantly spending time with family, making everything look perfect for some reason, and getting the exact gifts and food prepared to an apathetic group of "loved ones."

It's all a big cash grab.  No thanks.
I choose a stress-free time of relaxing and leisure activities.  I see who I want to.  No decorations or shopping trips.  And the best gift is free - write a letter to someone telling them how great they are and how much you value them.

Merry Christmas, though!!!
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« Reply #10809 on: December 19, 2021, 06:37:18 PM »
Back home in CA. I can say I've seen as much of Pawhuska OK as I need to in my life.

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« Reply #10810 on: December 19, 2021, 11:16:21 PM »
Back home in CA. I can say I've seen as much of Pawhuska OK as I need to in my life.
I pulled it up on Google Maps and the first thing I saw was the Immaculate Conception church.

Was the conception at least immaculate?

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« Reply #10811 on: December 20, 2021, 12:06:15 AM »
That costs extra.
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« Reply #10812 on: December 20, 2021, 10:34:50 AM »
Are you drunk?

I say Merry Christmas, because that's what I've always said.  No, I don't find "Happy Holidays" an affront.  It's a silly attempt at being inclusive.  It's not the same as someone shooting your dog. 
And this happy atheist says "Merry Christmas" in the spirit of Santa Claus, greedy little children, and the stilly stresses people put on themselves. Seeking the ridiculous goals of reluctantly spending time with family, making everything look perfect for some reason, and getting the exact gifts and food prepared to an apathetic group of "loved ones."

It's all a big cash grab.  No thanks.
I choose a stress-free time of relaxing and leisure activities.  I see who I want to.  No decorations or shopping trips.  And the best gift is free - write a letter to someone telling them how great they are and how much you value them.

Merry Christmas, though!!!

Most OAM post ever.  

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« Reply #10813 on: December 20, 2021, 10:48:48 AM »
I pulled it up on Google Maps and the first thing I saw was the Immaculate Conception church.

Was the conception at least immaculate?
I usually try to avoid churches...

We did drive into Tulsa on Friday to go to a nice steakhouse, and the girls wanted to go see this Christmas lights display that apparently is all the rage. I figured it was some neighborhood where the homeowners go all out. Instead it's a mega-church and it was as "extra" as Tammy Faye's makeup
Instead it's a mega-church and it was as "extra" as Tammy Faye's makeup...



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« Reply #10814 on: December 20, 2021, 10:57:54 AM »
I usually try to avoid churches...

We did drive into Tulsa on Friday to go to a nice steakhouse, and the girls wanted to go see this Christmas lights display that apparently is all the rage. I figured it was some neighborhood where the homeowners go all out. Instead it's a mega-church and it was as "extra" as Tammy Faye's makeup
Instead it's a mega-church and it was as "extra" as Tammy Faye's makeup...



I dont get what you are trying to say concerning churches

do you object to a church having Christmas decorations 
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #10815 on: December 20, 2021, 11:20:47 AM »
I usually try to avoid churches...
Well if your arrival means the walls collapsing,bricks falling out and the drive opening up then I can't say as I blame you
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« Reply #10816 on: December 20, 2021, 11:24:09 AM »
Are you drunk?
 
 And the best gift is free - write a letter to someone telling them how great they are and how much you value them.
Almost like your posts in here!!! That's really touching,I'm sure everyone in the forum is reaching for a Kleenex upon reading that :D
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« Reply #10817 on: December 20, 2021, 11:36:47 AM »
I dont get what you are trying to say concerning churches

do you object to a church having Christmas decorations
Of course I don't object. Heck, I'd be a hypocrite because I've decorated my own house for Christmas. 

I avoid churches because I'm not religious and don't see any reason to go to them. Just like a vegan isn't exactly going to be going to steakhouses very often. 

Well if your arrival means the walls collapsing,bricks falling out and the drive opening up then I can't say as I blame you
If my arrival meant that, I'd actually reconsider my lack of belief... I've spent more than enough time in churches and NOT have them collapse, or get struck by lightning, or otherwise befall calamity, that I'm not avoiding them out of fear. Just not my cup of tea...

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« Reply #10818 on: December 20, 2021, 11:41:22 AM »
Churches = dressing up to be bored for at least an hour.

No wonder they can't charge admission.
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« Reply #10819 on: December 20, 2021, 11:49:49 AM »
. Just like a vegan isn't exactly going to be going to steakhouses very often.
If my arrival meant that, I'd actually reconsider my lack of belief... I've spent more than enough time in churches and NOT have them collapse, or get struck by lightning, or otherwise befall calamity, that I'm not avoiding them out of fear. Just not my cup of tea...
J/K maybe you should have a salad and clean out those carotids out, I like your steak house analogy
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« Reply #10820 on: December 20, 2021, 01:12:06 PM »
I sometimes ask atheists why they believe what they believe....they generally can't tell me. 

I sometimes ask Christians why they believe what they believe....they generally can't tell me either. 

Atheists usually tell me something along the lines of "God makes no sense" or "Religion is stupid" or "Religious people are hypocrites."  Wow....some hard-hitting evidence, Sherlock, you certainly convinced me with that insuperable reasoning. 

Christians usually tell me something along the lines of "I was raised Christian" or "It works for me" or "I just believe it's true."  Well....sign me right up, who could resist the impregnable logic of such a well thought-out basis for living your life.

In either case, just a few probing questions tends to reduce them to blank stares and hastily checking their watches as they pretend to have something else to do.  

I've only known a few Muslims, and far as I remember, never known any Hindus or Buddhists.  I wonder if they'd tell me pretty much the same thing. 

I think the average person just stumbles along without ever thinking about it much.  Seems odd.

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« Reply #10821 on: December 20, 2021, 01:40:09 PM »

I think the average person just stumbles along without ever thinking about it much.  Seems odd.
A book that I HIGHLY recommend is Sapiens

One of the most important things about people, moreso than the ability to reason, is the ability to create and sustain myths. 

A good example (and one used in the book) is money. What is money? Green pieces of cloth/paper with numbers printed on them? Worthless for nothing other than wiping your ass or burning for heat if we didn't all believe that it was special and worth something. And this is the basis for all commerce in America? 

Other myths are religions, borders, nations, etc. These ideas only have power because we all kinda just agreed on them. What is an "American"? What is an "America", for that matter? The human brain can't really comprehend more than about 150 people, but we've all agreed that 340M people are all "like us" to the point where we pay taxes, go to war, vote, make decisions, all as a group. 

When you take a myth like "money" and subject it to strict scrutiny, you realize that it ONLY has meaning because we all agree it has meaning. And the even sillier thing about it is that people argue over it. Goldbugs will argue that fiat currency isn't "real" money, but gold is. Ever tried to go to Walmart and spend gold? Governments will argue that bitcoin isn't "real money" but there are places I can go spend it. Government fiat currency is "great" money, until you're Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe 20(ish?) years ago or Venezuela over the last 5-10 years. 

Religion (abstracting organized religion as an institution AWAY from the idea of whether or not there's a supreme being) is a very powerful myth. It has done tremendous good in the world, bringing people together, helping people in need, helping people cope with the absurdity of living, helping people feel like they're part of something--a community, a purpose--bigger than themselves. It has also done tremendous evil in the world, and been a major force over the centuries in war, bigotry, and division between people. (Government/nations have done the same, and people over silly divisions like race/etc have also done the same; I'm not singling out religion for this.) 

So, yeah, most people go through life never thinking about any of these myths. If they did, and too many started questioning them, they'd fall like a house of cards, because it's really hard to actually comprehend that they're myths and then at the same time support and sustain them "because they work". Society depends on myths, and myths depend on not being too closely scrutinized lest we realize they're just myths. 

 

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