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this is fascinating....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc

all Im asking for is a safe place

there's always the PAC12 thread


Last post by Brutus Buckeye
in Re: Pac-12 moving title ...
on March 26, 2021,

We may think of science as our foremost producer of knowledge, but for the past decade, science has also been studied as an important source of ignorance. The historian of science Robert Proctor has coined the term agnotology to refer to the study of ignorance, and much of the ignorance studied in this new area is produced by science. Whether an active or passive construct, intended or unintended, this ignorance is, in Proctor’s words, “made, maintained, and manipulated” by science.

This article is excerpted from the book “Science and the Production of Ignorance: When the Quest for Knowledge Is Thwarted.”
In the conversation that follows, excerpted from a longer discussion published in the volume “Science and the Production of Ignorance,” Proctor and historian and philosopher of science Peter Galison describe some of the most important strategies used by industry over the years to produce this ignorance. Some of the well-documented tactics used by the tobacco industry, for example, included funding decoy research to distract from critical questions; organizing “friendly research” for publication in popular magazines; establishing scientific front organizations; and forever calling for more research and more evidence, setting standards for proof so high that nothing could ever satisfy them.

“It’s really quite brilliant,” says Proctor. “If you don’t like the science that’s out there, create some of your own. And then claim ‘we need more research.’ And then label your opposition as a bunch of close-minded fanatics.” The Proctor-Galison dialogue provides a historical context for today’s explorations of agnotology and makes abundantly clear why the rest of us need to be as concerned as they are with such ignorance and the new area of its investigation.


https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/industry-weaponizing-science-agenda/

It is interesting, though the problem is not theoretical. The vaccine fools the body's immune system into producing defenses against COVID. Ivermectin may block viral production, but the problem is the concentration needed to do that in your blood would probably kill you. That's why clinical studies on Ivermectin haven't shown much benefit.

The fact of the matter is the cold hard truth is that these covid vaccines are essentially worthless, as they are imperfect "leaky" vaccines which DO NOT stop transmission of this virus dead in its tracks like the vaccines we have for say polio or smallpox.

As this article shows, studies in UK point blank show that fully vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the delta variant to contacts in their household as those who haven’t been vaccinated. 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

This is not a pandemic. This shit is endemic. EVERYONE will get it. Period. Vaccinated or not. There is no running or hiding from it. There is only living with it and managing it. The vaccine will point blank, period, not stop transmission, regardless of if everyone is vaccinated or not. In fact- over-use of the vaccine could even put so much evolutionary pressure on the pathogen that it causes a nasty mutation which leads to a new "hot-dose" strain that is more deadly and more lethal.

If you actually watched the video I linked, he explains how the vaccine only has one trick in fooling this virus- which means it is probable the virus could "immune escape" and evolve to beat the vaccine- which is what we might be seeing before our eyes with Delta and all these breakthrough cases and waning effectiveness- whereas the ivermectin has 6 different tricks/disruptions in fooling/stopping replication- which means it's virtually impossible for this virus to mutate 6 different ways to beat the drug. 

Prophylactics and therapies are the way forward with this crap, not forcing people to get vaccines that simply put just do not work.

The fact of the matter is the cold hard truth is that these covid vaccines are essentially worthless, as they are imperfect "leaky" vaccines which DO NOT stop transmission of this virus dead in its tracks like the vaccines we have for say polio or smallpox.

But, again, the vaccine isn't solely designed to stop the virus "dead in its tracks." It is designed to stimulate your body to recognize the virus and stop it in its tracks. This it clearly does, both in preventing illness at all and in preventing serious illness. Contracting covid has similar benefits, but the advantage of the vaccine is you don't have to get sick first. 

Well I’m not going to argue with you. You posted some opinions and I posted the actual scientific studies.

As long as people who wanted can get it from their doctor, which they are and they can, and are benefiting from it and they’re real life opinions, what me and you think doesn’t really matter much

Yes, I posted opinions about the data from doctors, who point out, with a lot of evidence, that there is no real benefit from ivermectin and the scant evidence that may show it has a benefit is very likely made up. In any event, we have been studying antiviral medications for decades, with pretty limited success. It would have been pretty amazing that a random ant-parasite medication would magically stop viral infections. But it doesn't.

But, again, the vaccine isn't solely designed to stop the virus "dead in its tracks." It is designed to stimulate your body to recognize the virus and stop it in its tracks. This it clearly does, both in preventing illness at all and in preventing serious illness. Contracting covid has similar benefits, but the advantage of the vaccine is you don't have to get sick first.

Actually, that's what vaccines are designed for- to immunize you from infection from a pathogen which in turn stops the spread of said pathogen. This thing does not do that- which is why the CDC all of a sudden changed it's official definitions in late 2020 of what vaccines and vaccinations are.

What happened to that whole "get the vax, stop the spread" campaign? So what, now it's morphed into- get the vax to manage symptoms? Lol. What? Manage symptoms for a virus that if you contract it- you're chances of developing serious illness and going to the hospital are...wait for it.... .89%. Point. Eight. Nine. Percent.

And contracting covid and recovering actually gives you a better, stronger, longer lasting natural immunity than this vaccine could ever hope to achieve- per all the science.

You need to wake up. A lot of this bs is simply put just a money grab by special interests. The CDC has taken hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in "donations" from Pfizer, Merck, J&J, etc. through it's CDC Foundation since it was founded in 1995 by Congress. Nearly 50% of the FDA's total budget comes from the private corporations they are suppose to be regulating. Corporations literally have massive influence if not flat out control of the government agencies that are suppose to be regulating them. It's called regulatory capture. Look it up.

Pretty simple thought exercise- if these vaccines ACTUALLY worked effectively and the good, noble mega-billion dollar corporations like Pfizer/Moderna/J&J were only concerned about saving lives- then why aren't all of them giving it away to the poor all over the world for free? Oh yeah, they aren't. LOL. They are ALL blocking the release/licensing to poor nations in Africa, Asia, & all over the world.

Forcing everyone to take these experimental vaccines by force in the US benefits only the multi-national billion dollar corporations that produce them and in turn the puppet politicians and regulatory bodies they have bought and paid for and now own.

If you want the vaccine, great. Go get it. It will reduce your odds of getting serious illness and needing to be hospitalized from .89 percent to .18 percent. So I say- that's cool- go get it if you want to feel protected, but don't force it on anyone through government action. That is not who or what we are. This is suppose to be a free country. FREE.