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Mdot21

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« Reply #9884 on: November 06, 2021, 06:03:28 PM »
I'm just saying that Aaron Rodgers basically said that he talked to Rogan and did what Rogan suggested. That's not saying anything about Rogan, but perhaps Rodgers should have consulted, I dunno, an actual medical professional?
By the way- I'll bet dollars to donuts he talked with an actual Doctor. He is a world class professional athlete after all- and NFL owners pay millions to have armies of doctors to be on call.

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« Reply #9885 on: November 06, 2021, 06:04:37 PM »
You gave him a public digital blowjob.  It was the natural question.

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« Reply #9886 on: November 06, 2021, 06:04:51 PM »
You haven't noticed the paradigm shift since 2016 when it comes to the masses and alternative facts?
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #9887 on: November 06, 2021, 06:06:21 PM »
By the way- I'll bet dollars to donuts he talked with an actual Doctor. He is a world class professional athlete after all- and NFL owners pay millions to have armies of doctors to be on call.
Well, his judgment in doctors is also questionable, considering he thought he was immunized against COVID due to homeopathic treatment...


https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/report-covid-positive-aaron-rodgers-told-nfl-he-was-immunized-with-homeopathy/

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« Reply #9888 on: November 06, 2021, 06:10:42 PM »
People who take hundreds of years of medical advancement and throw it down the drain are idiots.

 Go watch 'Naked and Afraid' - they're given survival items and still, no one thrives.  It's a show of who can endure hunger, dehydration, and boredom the best.  

Aaron Rodgers would enjoy living in a treehouse, growing his own radishes, and making a palm frond hat for about 12 minutes before his hangnail crippled him and he fell off the razor's edge of survival.
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« Reply #9889 on: November 06, 2021, 06:15:30 PM »
You haven't noticed the paradigm shift since 2016 when it comes to the masses and alternative facts?
There is no such thing as alternative fact.

What I have noticed is the internet has democratized information and has allowed for people to learn truths that the establishment has been able for decades to control. That control is over. And rightfully so. And they are freaking out about losing control- and have no idea what to do.

It is about god-damn time that people stop blindly trusting the Washington Post, NY Times, CNN, NBC, Fox. I am glad that it is happening.

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. This is what is not taught in schools or universities- and which is why we are a nation of idiots who parrot whatever their "masters" or betters tell them to.

And I can say that I have noticed since 2016-present; the mainstream media giddily helped certain what I would call criminal elements in the US government (*cough* intelligence agencies *cough*) perpetuate by far the biggest hoax that I've seen since Iraq/WMD's debacle- and while their narrative was already completely blown apart- we are now seeing over the past few weeks indictments of the people who helped propel that hoax. Turns out they were working for the Clinton campaign and people close to the Clinton campaign. ZOINKS.

And from 2016 to present, I have noticed that a litany of former intelligence ghouls and creatures get high paying jobs at mainstream news outlets. This is COMPLETELY unacceptable and runs counter to what a free press is supposed to exist for. 

Our institutions continue to do themselves in with their bullshit and lies. You want people to have more faith in the press and in the government? Pretty easy fix- they need to start being held to account when they screw up or break the law. Fauci should be fired and prosecuted for lying to congress- which is a felony. News outlets should fire every single ex-CIA/FBI operative they have working for them and anyone of them with half a brain should already realize- hey yeah- maybe we shouldn't be hiring those guys. They do lie about everything for a living...

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« Reply #9890 on: November 06, 2021, 06:19:08 PM »

What I have noticed is the internet has democratized information and has allowed for people to learn truths that the establishment has been able for decades to control. That control is over. And rightfully so. And they are freaking out about losing control- and have no idea what to do.


It's also allowed people to learn falsehoods that they believe the establishment has been "holding down". 

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« Reply #9891 on: November 06, 2021, 06:22:35 PM »
There is no such thing as alternative fact.

What I have noticed is the internet has democratized information and has allowed for people to learn truths that the establishment has been able for decades to control. That control is over. And rightfully so. And they are freaking out about losing control- and have no idea what to do.  Yes, this is why religion is in free-fall.  Atheism is spreading like wildfire.

It is about god-damn time that people stop blindly trusting the Washington Post, NY Times, CNN, NBC, Fox. I am glad that it is happening.

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. This is what is not taught in schools or universities- and which is why we are a nation of idiots who parrot whatever their "masters" or betters tell them to.  Critical thinking skills is literally taught in school.

Critical thinking isn't big with those in authority, including parents and entry-level job creators.  They want subjugation and ease of interaction.  They want their orders followed and don't have the time for questions.
Critical thinking is taught to them, but it has no place in the life of a normal young person (age 14-24 or so).  Saying it's not taught is 100% false.  Its simply forgotten because it has no utility if you're entering the real world.  THAT is the real problem.
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« Reply #9892 on: November 06, 2021, 06:24:10 PM »
It's also allowed people to learn falsehoods that they believe the establishment has been "holding down".
Yeah...not buying that. Conspiracy theories have been around forever. Maybe it's helped conspiracy theories spread- but the internet is a tool- it simply allows for ALL information to spread. 

NY Times/WaPo and CNN/MSNBC/Fox etc., etc.. have been parroting falsehood for decades- so don't even go there.

Take a guy like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden. They have allowed us to learn things about our government and the gross crimes it commits that we would NEVER have in a million years been able to learn about if not for the internet. And what do they get for their heroism?

US gov't plotted to kill Julian Assange and are now trying to extradite him and put him in a black cell for the rest of his life. Edward Snowden is stuck in Russia forever because the US gov't revoked his passport while he was in Russia and on his way to Ecuador where he was granted asylum. If they could get their hands on him they'd throw him in a black cage forever too. 

Take all the news shows on YouTube that do better job reporting news than cable/mainstream news.

More information is better than less information, period.

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« Reply #9893 on: November 06, 2021, 06:34:21 PM »
Critical thinking isn't big with those in authority, including parents and entry-level job creators.  They want subjugation and ease of interaction.  They want their orders followed and don't have the time for questions.
Critical thinking is taught to them, but it has no place in the life of a normal young person (age 14-24 or so).  Saying it's not taught is 100% false.  Its simply forgotten because it has no utility if you're entering the real world.  THAT is the real problem.
You make it like it's some conspiracy from "authority". 

People are bad at critical thinking because most people don't have the stomach for it. It's hard. It sometimes requires you to seriously question your "identity", i.e. your affiliation with your tribe. It requires you to do research fairly, not try to do research that only agrees with you [i.e. confirmation bias]. 

You're the one who constantly derides "the masses", but then blames "those in authority" for the problem. Which is it? 

Yeah...not buying that. Conspiracy theories have been around forever. Maybe it's helped conspiracy theories spread- but the internet is a tool- it simply allows for ALL information to spread.
More information is better than less information, period.
Again, the issue is confirmation bias. The internet has created the ability for people to construct realities around themselves such that they never HAVE to engage all the information out there. And humans being humans, that's what they do. 

Where that leads is people increasingly getting silo'd into, effectively, cults. They generate communities where you're either part of the "in-group" or the "out-group", which reward blind obedience to the dogma of the in-group and shunning anyone who ever defects. Literally in these scenarios, critical thinking will get you ostracized. 

I used to believe that more information SHOULD be better, but I feel that it's largely broken society. 

Whether humanity can remake society successfully to come out of this is unknown, but I wouldn't lay good odds in that favor personally. 

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« Reply #9894 on: November 06, 2021, 06:40:53 PM »

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A) Ivermectin isn't "worm medicine"
It absolutely is worm medicine. That's explicitly what it is. 



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the vaccines we have might as well be useless. the studies/science are in on them, and they pretty much suck.
Nope. There is no question about this. The vaccines are the only actual preventative treatment that works. Anti-viral medications have been tested for years, and typically are mostly useless. There is the promise of one derived from HIV medications that may be good. Still, the vaccines are far, far more effective than anything else widely available out there, including Ivermectin, which has no known uses against COVID and is mostly a message boar rumor gone wild.



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The concoction of monoclonal antibodies, steroids, and IV drip is probably what really worked for Rogan.
Rogan, as far as I know, is mostly healthy, and like most of the people who got COVID, he got sick and then recovered. It's doubtful any of those treatments did anything particularly useful. Steroids might have made him feel good, I dunno. Antibodies maybe, there is at least some reason to think they would, though the vaccine would be more effective in prevention.

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« Reply #9895 on: November 06, 2021, 06:43:52 PM »
It absolutely is worm medicine. That's explicitly what it is.
No. That's ONE thing that it is. It has an application as a horse dewormer. 

It also has quite a few legitimate human uses. It's a real human medicine. 

So it is not explicitly a worm medicine. 

To treat it as if it is ONLY a horse dewormer is intellectually dishonest.

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« Reply #9896 on: November 06, 2021, 06:47:24 PM »
You make it like it's some conspiracy from "authority".

People are bad at critical thinking because most people don't have the stomach for it. It's hard. It sometimes requires you to seriously question your "identity", i.e. your affiliation with your tribe. It requires you to do research fairly, not try to do research that only agrees with you [i.e. confirmation bias].

You're the one who constantly derides "the masses", but then blames "those in authority" for the problem. Which is it?
Again, the issue is confirmation bias. The internet has created the ability for people to construct realities around themselves such that they never HAVE to engage all the information out there. And humans being humans, that's what they do.

Confirmation bias used to be all there was, because you only interacted with those in your tribe.
Then we had cities.  Radio.  TV.
We cannot throw our hands up and say it's just "humans being humans."
We can improve.  We have improved.  
People who live around and interact with people other than their tribe are more progressive.  Empathetic.  Inclusive.  There's infinite evidence of this.  It's fact.
My disdain for the masses is akin to there being 100 slaves and 1 guard, but they remain enslaved.  
My disdain for the authority in power is that they will do anything to promote the status quo.  Why change things when your 1 guard can keep 100 slaves down?

Both sides are failing and that's why powerful societies can only be at the top for awhile.  A century or so.  
The poor and downtrodden don't vote.  Everyone hates Congress, but 90%+ win their elections.  
5 companies own everything.
It's broken, both because the winners want to keep winning and because the losers don't create change.
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« Reply #9897 on: November 06, 2021, 06:49:15 PM »

You're the one who constantly derides "the masses", but then blames "those in authority" for the problem. Which is it?
This very question presupposes it's one or the other.  Don't presuppose.  
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