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« Reply #8876 on: October 20, 2021, 08:07:05 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 20, 2021, 12:31:08 AM
Too early to tell IMHO.

He hasn't had enough of a recruiting cycle to tell if he can win with his own...
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
True, but he got 4 of the Top Ten recruits last winter and made the Play Off twice
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« Reply #8877 on: October 20, 2021, 08:28:14 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 20, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
True, but he got 4 of the Top Ten recruits last winter and made the Play Off twice
If you count the 3 games he coached in 2018, he is 28-3 as a head coach and undefeated in conference play, including 2 CFP appearances.

Not sure how you can conclude anything other than he is an excellent coach. There are very few major contributors left on the team that were not recruited by Day and his staff. They are the number one offense in CFB by most viable measures. Besides Saban, who has done better in the last 3 1/2 seasons? 
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« Reply #8878 on: October 20, 2021, 08:30:01 AM »
It is conceivable that a merely decent coach would inherit the OSU program and do as well.  I think it's too early to tell, personally.
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« Reply #8879 on: October 20, 2021, 08:50:00 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 20, 2021, 06:48:37 AM


View off our deck in Breck, one day we had lunch outside sitting there in the sun, the next morning it was 17°F and snowing.
Such a magnificent place.  Been a few years since I was there- but it never disappoints. 
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« Reply #8880 on: October 20, 2021, 09:18:01 AM »
Altitude is an ass-kicker. 

A friend of mine did a century ride in Colorado this summer called the Triple Bypass, so named because it went over three high passes (some 11K pass south of I-70, Loveland Pass, and Vail Pass). 
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« Reply #8881 on: October 20, 2021, 09:30:07 AM »
Berthoud Pass is around 11,000 and just north of I-70.  Hoosier Pass is the same just south of Breck/I-70, might be that one.  One can make a nice loop drive through all three.
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« Reply #8882 on: October 20, 2021, 10:08:07 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 20, 2021, 08:28:14 AM
If you count the 3 games he coached in 2018, he is 28-3 as a head coach and undefeated in conference play, including 2 CFP appearances.

Not sure how you can conclude anything other than he is an excellent coach. There are very few major contributors left on the team that were not recruited by Day and his staff. They are the number one offense in CFB by most viable measures. Besides Saban, who has done better in the last 3 1/2 seasons?
no one. which is why I said he's underpaid.

And the offense he runs- I am super envious of. I LOVE the passing game. Not a fan of the QB spread read option shit that Urbz and RichRod made famous. Not a fan of the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust stone age shit Harbaugh loves to run. I want to see QB's that can THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD and make explosive plays in the passing game. Day's offenses have consistently done that in spades. I would KILL for that shit at Michigan.
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« Reply #8883 on: October 20, 2021, 10:17:25 AM »
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« Reply #8884 on: October 20, 2021, 10:32:54 AM »
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« Reply #8885 on: October 20, 2021, 10:41:47 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 20, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
True, but he got 4 of the Top Ten recruits last winter and made the Play Off twice
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 20, 2021, 08:28:14 AM
If you count the 3 games he coached in 2018, he is 28-3 as a head coach and undefeated in conference play, including 2 CFP appearances.

Not sure how you can conclude anything other than he is an excellent coach. There are very few major contributors left on the team that were not recruited by Day and his staff. They are the number one offense in CFB by most viable measures. Besides Saban, who has done better in the last 3 1/2 seasons? 
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 20, 2021, 08:30:01 AM
It is conceivable that a merely decent coach would inherit the OSU program and do as well.  I think it's too early to tell, personally.
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 20, 2021, 10:08:07 AM
no one. which is why I said he's underpaid.

And the offense he runs- I am super envious of. I LOVE the passing game. Not a fan of the QB spread read option shit that Urbz and RichRod made famous. Not a fan of the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust stone age shit Harbaugh loves to run. I want to see QB's that can THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD and make explosive plays in the passing game. Day's offenses have consistently done that in spades. I would KILL for that shit at Michigan.
I should be more clear. I didn't want to intimate that he can't recruit, nor that he can't coach. 

There are skills that are necessary to be Head Coach that it's not yet clear whether he does or doesn't have. Football programs, even at helmets, don't run themselves. You need to have those "CEO" attributes above and beyond recruiting and coaching chops. 

The annals of college football is littered with promising coordinators who got up to the big time, and after a few years what was a finely tuned machine starts to show signs of slippage because they're not capable of being the unicorn that they replaced. 

This happens even more often when it's a coordinator who is elevated within his own program, because some of the cultural things that would change immediately if it was a coordinator poached from another program who takes over don't really change. 

The first 2 or so years after someone like Urban leaving a program still have his upperclassmen who were brought up in his "process" to use Saban's term, who are already baked so to speak and whatever Day does won't really change them. It's when they graduate out of the program and players who had little to no tutelage under Urban are forced to take the reins that we'll see if OSU starts to falter.

I'm not saying Day doesn't have those attributes. I'm saying it's too early to know either way. 
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« Reply #8886 on: October 20, 2021, 10:45:44 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 20, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
I should be more clear. I didn't want to intimate that he can't recruit, nor that he can't coach.

There are skills that are necessary to be Head Coach that it's not yet clear whether he does or doesn't have. Football programs, even at helmets, don't run themselves. You need to have those "CEO" attributes above and beyond recruiting and coaching chops.

The annals of college football is littered with promising coordinators who got up to the big time, and after a few years what was a finely tuned machine starts to show signs of slippage because they're not capable of being the unicorn that they replaced.

This happens even more often when it's a coordinator who is elevated within his own program, because some of the cultural things that would change immediately if it was a coordinator poached from another program who takes over don't really change.

The first 2 or so years after someone like Urban leaving a program still have his upperclassmen who were brought up in his "process" to use Saban's term, who are already baked so to speak and whatever Day does won't really change them. It's when they graduate out of the program and players who had little to no tutelage under Urban are forced to take the reins that we'll see if OSU starts to falter.

I'm not saying Day doesn't have those attributes. I'm saying it's too early to know either way.
100% know what you mean. We saw this at Oregon when Chip left. 

I suspect Ryan Day is different. He's recruiting at Urban levels and the modernized passing offense is something he brought to the table. Urban was still running that QB-run heavy read option shit 'til Day come in and turned that offense into bombs away with Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, and now CJ Stroud into bombs away 4,000-5,000 yard and 35-50 TD's a season passers.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #8887 on: October 20, 2021, 11:08:58 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 20, 2021, 10:17:25 AM
Chevy Has a New 10-Liter Crate Motor That Makes 1004 HP (roadandtrack.com)
The 2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is set to be revealed on October 26, 2021.

Perhaps the smaller flat crank hype was just hype?
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« Reply #8888 on: October 20, 2021, 11:19:57 AM »
Florida didn't ride Urban's recruits for a few years before falling off of a cliff. They just fell off of the cliff right out of the gate. 
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #8889 on: October 20, 2021, 11:24:15 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 20, 2021, 11:08:58 AM
The 2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is set to be revealed on October 26, 2021.

Perhaps the smaller flat crank hype was just hype?
No, I've seen videos posted of the Z06 with engine noise, it's a 5.5 L FPC for sure.
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