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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #8316 on: September 07, 2021, 04:24:48 PM »

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« Reply #8317 on: September 07, 2021, 04:31:51 PM »
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I am just busting your chops though. Like 95% of all posters put their periods outside of their quotation marks. It's like they see each other doing it and just assume that it is correct, but you'd never see it that way in a novel or any other professional publication. Question marks and exclamation points can go inside or outside, depending on if they are part of the quote. Periods and commas always go inside, unless of course you are on a message board.
Prolly because we're American 

https://socratic.org/questions/does-a-period-go-before-or-after-quotation-marks

In American style, the period always comes before the closing quotation marks. In the British style, the placement of the period depends upon whether the period is logically part of the quoted material.

Explanation:
The American style was developed based on typography. When setting up type, requiring the period to precede the quotation marks allowed better kerning.
The advantage of the American style is that it provided an invariant (although not always logical) rule.
In the British style, the period is placed inside the quotation marks if it is logically belongs there. It is place after the quotation marks if it is not logically part of the quoted material.

 the correct answer might be dependent on local rules.

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« Reply #8318 on: September 07, 2021, 04:34:27 PM »
Punctuation talk not going away...

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« Reply #8319 on: September 07, 2021, 04:48:30 PM »
Interesting. I might have to revise my usage. Because 'Murica.

Not going to let those limeys tell me how to punctuate! 1776! 1776! 1776!

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« Reply #8320 on: September 07, 2021, 04:49:26 PM »
I want to know what sort of magic goes into the Mr Clean Magic Eraser.

I mean, I don't believe in magic, but that damn thing works so well that I might have to change my position on supernatural phenomena.

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« Reply #8321 on: September 07, 2021, 04:57:33 PM »
Punctuation talk not going away...
take it to the Mr. N's whimsical postings... thread
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« Reply #8322 on: September 07, 2021, 05:28:32 PM »
Here's my thought...

  • 1 week (~40 PDH) of training the week prior to start of classes. You can't call that busy work that won't apply in the classroom since it's right before the school year starts.
  • My kids get 3 days off during Thanksgiving week and then the holiday. That's another 24 PDH. Not all schools do this.
  • They get 2 weeks off for Christmas. I'm not going to be a heartless jerk and say that teachers should devote all non-holiday days in that window to PDH, but maybe another 3-4 days in that window would be up to another 24 PDH.
  • Spring Break gets you another 40 PDH.
  • If the school has a midwinter break (aka "Ski Week") in Feb, that could be another 40 PDH. Not all schools do this.


That's a minimum of 100+ PDH, and depending on when additional breaks come, could be another 60 or so.

I think I remember you saying something about 300 PDH needed per year? That seems quite high, since that's 7.5 weeks of 40 hour weeks to get it... Did I read that wrong or is that accurate.

If accurate, would there be a way to fit the rest in without having minimum days every week?
I’m a bit unclear about the Thanksgiving part? Do your kids only go to school Monday?

This would probably be fine as long as there’s the budget for it. 100 extra hours would be a 4.8 percent raise for a normal work schedule. So probably more for the teachers.

I wonder if there is some kind of activity alternative, though maybe that would cost more. Like a before or after school program.

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« Reply #8323 on: September 07, 2021, 05:39:01 PM »
I’m a bit unclear about the Thanksgiving part? Do your kids only go to school Monday?

This would probably be fine as long as there’s the budget for it. 100 extra hours would be a 4.8 percent raise for a normal work schedule. So probably more for the teachers.

I wonder if there is some kind of activity alternative, though maybe that would cost more. Like a before or after school program.
Sorry, I was already taking as a given that the kids were off the Friday after Thanksgiving, and was saying they get the three days prior to Thanksgiving off. But I did not word that clearly at all. 

I run into other problems with before/after school programs do to my unique custody situation.

Prior to COVID, I was able to put the two kids in the charter school into an after-school program on a day-by-day basis, so on the days I needed to pick them up, I could do so after 5 PM. It DID cost more, but at least I was paying for each individual day (at a premium to the weekly rate) rather than having to pay a weekly rate and just wasting the money on the days they didn't go. That program was replaced during COVID with one that was an every day program, and since their mom didn't want to use it (or pay for it), I bit the bullet and just picked them up when I needed. 

For my other son (with special needs), he's never had an after-school or before-school program that could be anything but an all-week program and thus was cost-prohibitive. But at least prior to this year, he was in a school much closer to me. So for afternoon pickups, I could easily just get over there and pick him up in <20 minutes door to door, and then go get the other two from their after-school program later. For this new school, where Mondays are "late start" days, because it's a middle school they don't even have any child care or other programs for Monday mornings. 

I suppose it would be easiest if I just move to Austin and only have the kids for the summers. 

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« Reply #8324 on: September 07, 2021, 07:04:12 PM »
I'm fine with paying teachers more

the kids still get breaks, so do the teachers, it's just the teachers don't get a 3 week break for Christmas and work another week in May, maybe an earlier week in August
They're sprinkled throughout the school year so's teachers can have pizza parties
Everyone is fine with paying teachers more......until it's time to pay teachers more.
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I'm not really following the rest of this.  As for parties, yeah, we're allowed 3 of those for the year, and they're basically the last  hour of the day.  
School isn't like it used to be.  No nap time in kindergarten.  Testing testing testing.  
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« Reply #8325 on: September 07, 2021, 07:08:40 PM »
Here's my thought...

  • 1 week (~40 PDH) of training the week prior to start of classes. You can't call that busy work that won't apply in the classroom since it's right before the school year starts.
  • My kids get 3 days off during Thanksgiving week and then the holiday. That's another 24 PDH. Not all schools do this.
  • They get 2 weeks off for Christmas. I'm not going to be a heartless jerk and say that teachers should devote all non-holiday days in that window to PDH, but maybe another 3-4 days in that window would be up to another 24 PDH.
  • Spring Break gets you another 40 PDH.
  • If the school has a midwinter break (aka "Ski Week") in Feb, that could be another 40 PDH. Not all schools do this.


That's a minimum of 100+ PDH, and depending on when additional breaks come, could be another 60 or so.

I think I remember you saying something about 300 PDH needed per year? That seems quite high, since that's 7.5 weeks of 40 hour weeks to get it... Did I read that wrong or is that accurate.

If accurate, would there be a way to fit the rest in without having minimum days every week?
It's 300 hours every 6 years in AZ.  
There's plenty of ways to fit in the hours besides early dismissal days.  I'm not sure why early dismissal days became a thing.  Many districts do it every single Wednesday now.  


As a teacher, I want prep time.  Planning time.  That way, I can be a better teacher - the students will benefit.  Professional development is not that.  It's reading an article, it's learning a new fad, etc.  

Every minute I'm on-campus without students there that I have to spend not prepping for my own class makes me want to walk off a cliff.
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« Reply #8326 on: September 07, 2021, 07:33:42 PM »
It's 300 hours every 6 years in AZ. 
There's plenty of ways to fit in the hours besides early dismissal days.  I'm not sure why early dismissal days became a thing.  Many districts do it every single Wednesday now. 

As a teacher, I want prep time.  Planning time.  That way, I can be a better teacher - the students will benefit.  Professional development is not that.  It's reading an article, it's learning a new fad, etc. 

Every minute I'm on-campus without students there that I have to spend not prepping for my own class makes me want to walk off a cliff.
50 hours a year? Yeah, that shouldn't require early dismissal days. 

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« Reply #8327 on: September 07, 2021, 07:38:22 PM »

Every minute I'm on-campus without students there that I have to spend not prepping for my own class makes me want to walk off a cliff.

I hear ya, but keep in mind that almost every profession has similar requirements.  I have to endure ~80-100 hours per year of professional development courses and ethics and compliance training.  It's mind-numbing.

One of the few good things about the pandemic is that all of that training has moved to online, rather than in-person.  So I can actually be doing some actual work on screen2 and screen3 while "training" is on screen1.

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« Reply #8328 on: September 07, 2021, 07:49:14 PM »
I hear ya, but keep in mind that almost every profession has similar requirements.  I have to endure ~80-100 hours per year of professional development courses and ethics and compliance training.  It's mind-numbing.

One of the few good things about the pandemic is that all of that training has moved to online, rather than in-person.  So I can actually be doing some actual work on screen2 and screen3 while "training" is on screen1.
Hmm, that's way more than I'm required to do. You're in management though, right? I suspect if I get any direct reports, it'll ramp up my required course load.

Right now I know we get ethics & compliance pretty much annually, and I think workplace violence is biannual as is the harassment training. But I think it ends up being <10 hours annually for me.

When I was a manager there were a lot more assigned trainings, but still not 80-100 hours per year.

There have been a lot of years I've voluntarily consumed WAY more than I was mandated to complete, but that was my own choice for my own development.

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« Reply #8329 on: September 07, 2021, 07:58:00 PM »
Nah I'm not a manager anymore, but my division's EVP is gung-ho on the training.  Before COVID, we'd do a full 40 hours with everyone under my VP in town for a week, around 400 people.  The training was brutal, but the dinners and after-hours stuff was usually a lot of fun, getting to see my friends and coworkers in from all over the country.

And then another ~40-50 hours of additional solo in-person training for other stuff, working on the team's core competencies as they related to corporate goals.  

As you might be able to figure out, we have a lot of consulting firm influence in our division.  The EVP's besties.  Mostly McKinsey and Bain dudes.

 

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