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MaximumSam

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« Reply #7938 on: August 22, 2021, 08:16:03 AM »
I'm not up for bailing out rich white kids who got crap degrees.
Better than sending them to another country to start a civil war and then lose.

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« Reply #7939 on: August 22, 2021, 08:35:20 AM »
Bad ideas abound.
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« Reply #7940 on: August 22, 2021, 09:37:27 AM »
President Joe Biden told key allies in June that he would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan to ensure they could continue to operate in the capital following the main U.S. withdrawal, a vow made before the Taliban’s rapid final push across the country, according to a British diplomatic memo seen by Bloomberg. 


Biden promised U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson and other leaders at the Group of Seven summit in Cornwall, England, that “critical U.S. enablers” would remain in place to keep Kabul safe following the drawdown of NATO forces, the note said. British officials determined the U.S. would provide enough personnel to ensure that the U.K. embassy in Kabul could continue operating.


Biden Gave Allies Security Assurance on Kabul, Afghanistan in June - Bloomberg
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« Reply #7941 on: August 22, 2021, 09:39:26 AM »
Is this in regards to the 2016 presidential election? 


And the 2012 election.

And the 2008 election.

And the 2004 election...

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« Reply #7942 on: August 22, 2021, 09:40:06 AM »
a politician broke a promise??

shocking
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« Reply #7943 on: August 22, 2021, 09:41:51 AM »

And the 2012 election.

And the 2008 election.

And the 2004 election...
wasn't my intent to be political at all
not sure about the cartoonist
misinformation comes from politicians and others - many times politically motivated, of course
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« Reply #7944 on: August 22, 2021, 09:43:51 AM »
It's okay FearlessFrankie, this is the politics thread.

Apparently.

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« Reply #7945 on: August 22, 2021, 09:44:45 AM »
Policy thread. Tough to separate, yes, but I believe in us.
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« Reply #7946 on: August 22, 2021, 09:45:53 AM »
it's also Okay to think of some things w/o a political slant

harder for some folks than others
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« Reply #7947 on: August 22, 2021, 09:49:31 AM »
it's also Okay to think of some things w/o a political slant

harder for some folks than others
Right. Forget the names.

Foreign policy in that part of the world has absolutely sucked for a long time. Longer than some of us have been alive.
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« Reply #7948 on: August 22, 2021, 10:00:44 AM »
all of us
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« Reply #7949 on: August 22, 2021, 12:01:24 PM »
Is there a wide difference between the Taliban, supposedly our sworn enemy, and Saudi Arabia, one of of our bigger allies in the region, in how they treat women and or other social issues? Not especially. In fact, Saudi Arabia assassinated a progressive who wrote for the Washington Times. Our response was basically to do nothing. While we could napalm the country, I don't think that would be that helpful to women in the region, nor impress any other country. To the extent that other countries want us to be invading and whatnot, I'm not sure that is really the case.
It seems like you are assuming that we have the freedom of action to break relations with any country we don't like.  We don't.
The world is a dangerous, complicated place.  If foreign relations were just a matter of being friendly with nice liberal democracies and shunning everyone else, we would hardly need any foreign policy expertise at all.
So we maintain friendly relations with repressive autocracies like Saudi Arabia.  If oil were as commonplace as water, we would not need to do that, but it isn't, so we do.  We nudge the Saudis on human rights, but we don't accomplish a lot.
Afghanistan is a completely different situation.  Our primary interest there is keeping it from becoming a haven for terrorists.  The way we have tried to do this has involved trying to uplift human rights and democratic institutions.  We accomplished some good.  Females in Afghanistan over the last 20 years have made tremendous progress.  They have moved into the 19th or 20th century.  Now they will be forced back into the Dark Ages.  They will effectively be property of men.
So our failure has been a dual one.  We have failed in our strategic goal to keep Afghanistan from becoming a haven for Islamist terrorists.  We have failed to preserve the human rights that we introduced to Afghanistan and we have failed to protect those who bought in to what we were trying to do.
It's a disaster.
Everything that is wrong with Saudi Arabia doesn't really have anything to do with what a disaster we have suffered in Afghanistan.
It's just "whatabout" stuff, like what we see in politics every day.
Supporter of X: Look at what a slimy piece of crap Y is!
Supporter of Y: Yeah, but what about all the stupid stuff X has done?!
It just works to keep us diverted from what we need to know and ought to do.
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« Reply #7950 on: August 22, 2021, 12:11:49 PM »

And the 2012 election.

And the 2008 election.

And the 2004 election...
I was specifying the one the Russians influenced.  With the topic of the cartoon.
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« Reply #7951 on: August 22, 2021, 12:48:24 PM »
it's also Okay to think of some things w/o a political slant

harder for some folks than others
Ed Zachery, even though I like a Keg Party more than say a Democratic or Republican one folks all go getting politically correct or repressed or what ever. God forbid I should say it's Miller Time then some bent freak millennial snowflake starts pontificating on the nuances of the cleaning vinegar called IPA's that should have long ago been relegated to the dust pile of Zymurgist History,sheesh. I need a Reality Czech Pilsner just thinking about it
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