Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/flashback-joe-biden-repeatedly-promised-take-responsibility-instead-blaming

commendable?  This didn’t age well. 

Also- go reread the last page or two of this thread. Pinpoint the place where it turned political versus a conversation about the current situation.  Then tell me who is “you guys”

Your brilliant jokes about me siding with Biden or the Taliban were pretty political.  Idk, maybe they were just insulting. Hard to say.

Your brilliant jokes about me siding with Biden or the Taliban were pretty political.  Idk, maybe they were just insulting. Hard to say.

I have to keep pace with you so I was definitely going for both insulting and humorous.  That’s all you know when you come on here is to start by attacking people.

I have to keep pace with you so I was definitely going for both insulting and humorous.  That’s all you know when you come on here is to start by attacking people.

I attack poor ideas.  I'm sorry if you keep supplying them.  

so youre saying that when Trump made the deal to leave the procedure for the actual exit was always going to be what actually happened

not sure how any of this can be blamed on Trump but that wont stop folks from trying

Once Trump made the deal to leave, unless his successor was going to overturn it, it was going to be a strategic disaster.  Elements of the Afghan army almost immediately started making deals with the Taliban for the post-American future.  No matter how the exit went, it was going to be a strategic disaster.
Not overturning the Trump deal, plus the incompetent, chaotic exit, is on Biden, and that has led to the human catastrophe that is going on right now.
That's what I'm saying.

Why was indefinite occupation unacceptable?  It was relatively cheap.  In the same universe as what it costs us to maintain 10 times as many troops in South Korea.
To say that ripping the band-aid off was the only solution is an example of all-or-nothing thinking.  It's letting the perfect be the enemy of the just good enough.
It was just good enough to keep the Taliban at bay and keep Afghanistan from being a great haven and staging base for international terrorism that it was in September 2001.
A mature great power accepts that there are limits to its power, but it doesn't adopt the attitude that if it can't achieve total victory then it will do nothing.  After 100-plus years as a great power, we are still immature, and want to pick up our toys and go home when we can't get everything we want.

"Cheap"

"Air operations by US forces and the Afghan Air Force (AAF) killed and injured over 600 civilians. On April 2, AAF helicopters strafed a madrasa graduation ceremony in northern Kunduz province, killing 30 children and injuring 51. An airstrike in Chardara district, Kunduz province in July, reportedly killed 14 members of one family, including five women and seven children aged 2 to 14. The US conducted only internal reviews of a limited number of incidents of civilian casualties, and did not carry out site visits or interview witnesses. The Afghan government carried out few internal reviews of incidents causing civilian casualties. During a six-day Taliban assault on Ghazni city, both insurgents and government security forces launched indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas, killing and injuring more than 300 civilians."

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/afghanistan#

For an obviously intelligent dude- it actually scares me that you believe this.

A compliment from you is like being forced to watch a random person's baby be born from a few inches away.  
Oops, that wasn't an attack on your ideas.  
Sorry.

"Cheap"

"Air operations by US forces and the Afghan Air Force (AAF) killed and injured over 600 civilians. On April 2, AAF helicopters strafed a madrasa graduation ceremony in northern Kunduz province, killing 30 children and injuring 51. An airstrike in Chardara district, Kunduz province in July, reportedly killed 14 members of one family, including five women and seven children aged 2 to 14. The US conducted only internal reviews of a limited number of incidents of civilian casualties, and did not carry out site visits or interview witnesses. The Afghan government carried out few internal reviews of incidents causing civilian casualties. During a six-day Taliban assault on Ghazni city, both insurgents and government security forces launched indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas, killing and injuring more than 300 civilians."

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/afghanistan#

Shhhhhhhh.......only American lives matter........wait, unless you're a Democratic President withdrawing from another country, then suddenly they matter....