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Honestbuckeye

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« Reply #7840 on: August 21, 2021, 01:14:20 PM »
No.

Yes.


Agree. 
and the vast human tragedy, things like throwing an Afghanistan woman onto a fire and burning her to death because she was a bad cook, forcing 15-year-old girls into a life of sex slavery, commonly beheading people who you think disagree with you etc, Is now set in motion until some thing or someone puts a stop to it.

not to mention it was before and will again be a breeding ground funding station and training area for people who want to end western civilization as we know it.

You can talk about the high cost of the 20 years we spent there, but a great argument could be made that the cost is going to go up substantially not only in money and resources but in human lives and in human tragedy.
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« Reply #7841 on: August 21, 2021, 01:18:49 PM »
No.
Sorry, but yes. Classified US internal government interviews & memos show they knew everything would fall as soon as America withdrew- and that we did nothing there for 20 years but help foster INCREDIBLE levels of corruption and make deal after deal with shady warlord- some of which who traffic drugs and child sex rings. 

US had no choice but to leave. Staying was not an option. 

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« Reply #7842 on: August 21, 2021, 01:30:56 PM »
Agree. 
and the vast human tragedy, things like throwing an Afghanistan woman onto a fire and burning her to death because she was a bad cook, forcing 15-year-old girls into a life of sex slavery, commonly beheading people who you think disagree with you etc, Is now set in motion until some thing or someone puts a stop to it.

not to mention it was before and will again be a breeding ground funding station and training area for people who want to end western civilization as we know it.

You can talk about the high cost of the 20 years we spent there, but a great argument could be made that the cost is going to go up substantially not only in money and resources but in human lives and in human tragedy.
This is just dead wrong on so many levels, don't know where to begin. There are a lot of terrible governments and atrocities in the world- the US doesn't intervene everywhere on humanitarian grounds. In fact- we hardly ever do. We are not the worlds police. The world doesn't belong to us either.

If you want to go on and on about women's rights and terror- one of our closest allies- the Saudi's- have a government as repressive as the Taliban- and Saudi Arabia is literally ground zero for Muslim Extremism/Terrorism. 

Afghanistan was not some breeding ground for terror. It's true that Osama Bin Laden and his followers (A SAUDI NATIONAL- 99% OF WHOM WERE ALSO SAUDI) was given safe harbor there- but it's not because they agreed with his mission or cause. They gave him and his followers safe harbor because Bin Laden had helped Taliban leaders and their predecessors fight off the Soviets. These people were US backed intelligence assets for 10 years from '79 to '89 - funding, training, and arming them. We had a hand in creating these people with our meddling during those 10 years. 

If you'll remember- the US demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Laden, no negotiations, no questions asked. The Taliban asked for the US gov't to present to them evidence that Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks, and they will consider handing him over. The US refused to share any evidence, decided to invade & bomb- and they demanded the Taliban hand him over or the bombings will continue. Well- they never handed him over and the war aims changed to- we will continue to bomb you until you change your government leadership. This is textbook definition of an illegal war. The stated aim was to go into Afghanistan and capture Bin Laden and dismantle Al-Qaeda. Not to change the government of Afghanistan. We should've never went in there in the first place- but as soon the US captured or killed most of Al-Qaeda and it's leadership and drove Bin Laden out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan- we should've left. We didn't. Instead, what did our dumbasses do? Stay there another 18 years and spend trillions of dollars.

We had to go. Point blank period. We had no business staying there another second let alone another 20 years.

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« Reply #7843 on: August 21, 2021, 01:37:23 PM »
Time will tell.  But the early signs point to you being way off.  
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« Reply #7844 on: August 21, 2021, 01:41:13 PM »
War Is A Racket.

US defense contractors, civil engineering & construction contractors, and other private contractors literally made hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars over the 20 years long war in Afghanistan.

Why did the military and intelligence want to stay? Nothing to do with "human rights". Afghanistan is sitting on trillions of dollars worth of untapped minerals- including maybe $1 trillion worth of lithium- which is going to be the new oil as EV's take over starting in the 2030's and rapidly growing into the 2040's.

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« Reply #7845 on: August 21, 2021, 01:46:22 PM »
Time will tell.  But the early signs point to you being way off. 
Taliban was always going to take over as soon as we left. And things were always going to get worse before they got better.

US couldn't stay there forever. We can't even afford to fix our bridges & roads here- but we're going to spend billions building them infrastructure- and trillions more staying in Afghanistan another 20 years? Yeah- OK. Not.

Staying would do nothing but weaken us. Staying in Afghanistan and occupying and unconquerable people and country for 10 years and spending obscene amounts of money helped lead to the toppling of the Soviets. I'd rather US not repeat those same mistakes. Already in it twice as worse as they were. No need to make things worse.

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« Reply #7846 on: August 21, 2021, 01:46:28 PM »
Most are not disappointed at the US leaving

they are very disappointed in the way we left
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« Reply #7847 on: August 21, 2021, 01:48:19 PM »
Most are not disappointed at the US leaving

they are very disappointed in the way we left
I am on board with that. They should've did a troop surge, force evacuated all US citizens & friendlies, put explosives on all US weaponry and equipment- blew everything up and then gtfo. 

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« Reply #7848 on: August 21, 2021, 01:50:27 PM »
I am on board with that. They should've did a troop surge, force evacuated all US citizens & friendlies, put explosives on all US weaponry and equipment- blew everything up and then gtfo.
if you could come up with that why the hell couldnt our leaders think of it

what in hell is going on
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« Reply #7850 on: August 21, 2021, 03:49:57 PM »
Sorry, but yes. Classified US internal government interviews & memos show they knew everything would fall as soon as America withdrew- and that we did nothing there for 20 years but help foster INCREDIBLE levels of corruption and make deal after deal with shady warlord- some of which who traffic drugs and child sex rings.

US had no choice but to leave. Staying was not an option.

Oh I'm not disagreeing with that.

Your assertion was that was the ONLY mistake and it certainly was not.  

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« Reply #7851 on: August 21, 2021, 05:17:43 PM »
My thing is who is going to trust us now? Even are best allies are in WTF mode. Freakin' Brits are evacuating OUR military.

What was the f'ing plan here? Disaster is the best word.

And I agree - get out. It is now perfectly clear that the Afghans didn't want to fight for their country. They laid down their weapons (our weapons) and now the Taliban has a whole lot of new toys.

If they would not fight for their own country - why should WE fight for their country? 

Why did my son have to go there twice? For what? Absolutely nothing.

Thankful he's fine.
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« Reply #7852 on: August 21, 2021, 05:26:35 PM »
Going to Afghanistan never made any sense and we only stayed there so long because this is what withdraw looked like.

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« Reply #7853 on: August 21, 2021, 05:27:32 PM »
A better plan would have been nice. 
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