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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #7014 on: July 19, 2021, 02:47:49 AM »

Also, for fun, your credit score is five parts
Payment history - What we’ve talked here, 35 percent
Amount owed/credit utilization - If I’m running $2,000 a month on my credit card, this looks better if I have $10,000 in limit instead of $4,000, even if I’m paying more for the former number, 30 percent
Length of credit history - This encourages you to start going into debt early and to keep different lines active
Credit mix - This just means I need to borrow from a few different sets of folks 10 percent
New credit - This dings you for borrowing from a bunch of sources all at ones, 10 percent)

My favorite is credit checks not being a plus.....no one told me that.  So I'm shopping for a car at a bunch of dealerships and I wanted to find out what I'd actually be paying and had them all do credit checks to get to that point.  No clue why that's a problem, but it dinged me.  
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« Reply #7015 on: July 19, 2021, 06:43:19 AM »
Credit scores are very misunderstood including here on this board, but that’s not surprising.   They are somewhat complex algorithms originally designed to standardize our lenders ability to extend credit.

I’m sure nobody can fault lending institutions for trying to have predictability around a persons willingness and ability to repay credit that they have extended to them. 

Credit cards might be the most unique aspect.   Interest income used to be the prevalent way a lender can make a profit with a credit card however in today’s environment the interchange income and fees are most appealing.  Credit card providers write off millions and millions of dollars each month of unpaid balances that they can never collect.  

That’s a conversation littered with complexities for a different day. But the mortgage loans, car loans, and boat loans that also have enormous impact on peoples credit score are just as important if not more so.

Today you can buy a $400,000 house and borrow as much as 97% of it from a lender and paying interest rate under 3 1/2%. That loan is amortized over 30 years, allowing the majority of us who don’t have $390,000 cash to put down on a house the ability to actually purchase a home at a reasonable monthly payment. 

Same deal with a $30,000 car or a $50,000 boat.  I’m not sure I can agree with anyone who thinks that that is a bad thing.  

But they are not mandatory things as we often make mortgage loans to people who have no credit cards, or house payments, or car payments.

We will gladly validate that they pay their rent if they are renting or their utilities, water bill, cable bill or any other number of methods to validate that they take their financial obligations seriously and make their payments.

That, combined with the total amount of their debt relative to their income provides incredibly strong predictability around whether or not they will pay their mortgage on time and consistently overtime.

Yes, credit cards are baked into this and there are many people who do not have the control to properly use them. But the overwhelming majority of clients we see do you have the financial responsibility. In fact in today’s world of rewards we have many clients who never pay a penny of fees or interest, and accumulate thousands of “reward points“ by using her credit card for every day purchases like groceries and gasoline.

Just the other day I went on to Amazon to purchase a fishing rod travel carrier as I am going to Minnesota at the end of August for a week of Muskie fishing. When I went to check out Amazon automatically gave me the option of using points from my credit card to pay for the $110 item which I did. So I got it for free. My credit card has no annual fee and I pay the balance in full every month.

In the end it may be about education. We live in a time where it is easy to get credit extend it to you for under 5% and just as easy to invest that money with returns certainly an excess of 5%.
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« Reply #7016 on: July 19, 2021, 06:47:13 AM »
My favorite is credit checks not being a plus.....no one told me that.  So I'm shopping for a car at a bunch of dealerships and I wanted to find out what I'd actually be paying and had them all do credit checks to get to that point.  No clue why that's a problem, but it dinged me. 
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I have to agree with you on this. Originally it was viewed as a negative when a person had many inquiries at one time into the credit. I guess the thought was that there was desperation.
But in today’s world many people are encouraged to do what you did and actually look at their options on a large purchase with more than one car dealership or house lender. It should not drive your credit score down, but for whatever reason it does.
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« Reply #7017 on: July 19, 2021, 07:49:57 AM »
Got a $1.5K credit card at 18, a checkbook, rented an apartment, paid utilities. Bought my first home at 20, with 20% down.
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« Reply #7018 on: July 19, 2021, 08:57:52 AM »
There certainly is an educational component here, something parents should do.  But parents may not understand either.

A lady told me about a friend of hers who was widowed and did not know how to WRITE a check, no knowledge of anything financial.  She said she moved in with her for three months to teach her how to take care of paying bills and investing etc.

My wife is a bit limited in this area, not terribly, but she is scared of investing, and not knowledgable about it.  I had a good money manager in Cincy and I told her if I go away just to call him and he'll do the right thing, pretty much.  And she wouldn't need to worry about it.  I've given her a list of the bills to pay that routinely come around.

A lot of this is simply because the French system is somewhat different than ours.  CAC40 and all that, (which of course is basically the same).


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« Reply #7019 on: July 19, 2021, 09:09:51 AM »
I highly recommend LifeLock to protect your credit (and other things). Having been a victim of identity theft, I can tell you that you do not want it to happen to you. It took years to unravel the mess that the Russian bitch made for me.

She was arrested in California, by the Postal Police.


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« Reply #7020 on: July 19, 2021, 09:15:57 AM »
So I think the bolded part is somewhat interesting. Whether or not it's true, there is a sense that to take an important life step (kinda), and have access to one of the most bedrock wealth-building paths in our society, you have to tangle with a financial instrument that is designed to pillage the finances of those who use it.

The fact is, many of the convenient features credit cards once offered are now available with much less risk (well, give or take the fact it's build on the credit card infrastructure, which gets philosophical). In our modern society, if you actually need that kind of credit, you almost assuredly shouldn't be using it. If you get caught in either a moment of irresponsibility, calamity or ignorance of how the instrument functions, they'll ruin your finances. And the companies that operate them are literally built on doing that.

This isn't to say that there isn't a need for some way to prove financial responsibly. But we don't need to attach any moral rectitude to the credit card industry. Those things are designed at their base to drain people. They might make it a game with rewards, or get cast as part of building a stable financial life, but their bread is buttered by putting people in bad spots and squeezing them.

(I should say this, I had a really low debt/low trackable credit lifestyle through much of my 20s. I used a debit card instead of a credit card. I lived in places with roommates or consolidated bills, so I was rarely on power or cable bills. I paid rent every month, though roommate stuff was often not documented. And in truth, I lived a very stable financial life, and people still explained, “No, BAB, you need to borrow someone’s money, for the credit score and your future.” Think about how wild that is. I had a friend who bought a car from a family member. You can handle that all sorts of ways. Instead, they went to a bank and got a loan, with monthly payments and everything. Why? “To build my credit.” We’re somehow attaching moral good to going into debt.

Also, for fun, your credit score is five parts
Payment history - What we’ve talked here, 35 percent
Amount owed/credit utilization - If I’m running $2,000 a month on my credit card, this looks better if I have $10,000 in limit instead of $4,000, even if I’m paying more for the former number, 30 percent
Length of credit history - This encourages you to start going into debt early and to keep different lines active
Credit mix - This just means I need to borrow from a few different sets of folks 10 percent
New credit - This dings you for borrowing from a bunch of sources all at ones, 10 percent)
I have bought 3 homes without using a bank.  Only needed the bank to draw the money from.  Obviously for most people the bank makes it much easier, if they have the credit.  

I came of age in the 90's when the student credit card thing was just getting started.  I had a friend who got one of those cards, charged it up quick.  It took him years to pay that off.  I remember going out to eat, he paid with his card, I paid him my half with cash.  I had one as well but never let the balance get more than I could pay in full.  

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« Reply #7021 on: July 19, 2021, 09:19:57 AM »
I got a student credit card in 1978 or so.  It had a $250 credit limit.  They were pushing them at the time.  

I had to have one when I started traveling on interview trips.  I don't think there was a choice or another option.  One company was nice enough to send me tickets in the mail, but they were singular, that was Dow in Midland.  How else could I buy airline tickets?  I got reimbursed after the fact.

Some of the other students really struggled with this, I was not completely broke at the time.

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« Reply #7022 on: July 19, 2021, 09:41:22 AM »
sometimes my wife would overdo it on one of our credit cards and thats when I took a small box marked it as "Credit Card Jail" and the card in question would go in there and not paroled until the card was paid off
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« Reply #7023 on: July 19, 2021, 09:53:30 AM »
Fortunately, my wife is very responsible in using money.  I like that.

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« Reply #7024 on: July 19, 2021, 09:56:54 AM »
I currently live in Northwest Houston and I guarantee for $200,000 you can buy a very good 1800 square foot house here

Obviously the closer you get to downtown the more expensive the house will be

Im guessing my distance to downtown is 30 miles
I just looked at the city proper, not suburbs.

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« Reply #7025 on: July 19, 2021, 10:02:06 AM »
You have to go pretty far out here to find a new home for $200,000.  They don't build them much at all, and the older homes are closer in and more expensive.

When we drove to DC, I saw new subdivisions from I-85 fifty miles out, they looked like starter castles, probably 3,000 SF and $300,000.


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« Reply #7026 on: July 19, 2021, 10:04:14 AM »
I have bought 3 homes without using a bank.  Only needed the bank to draw the money from.  Obviously for most people the bank makes it much easier, if they have the credit. 

I came of age in the 90's when the student credit card thing was just getting started.  I had a friend who got one of those cards, charged it up quick.  It took him years to pay that off.  I remember going out to eat, he paid with his card, I paid him my half with cash.  I had one as well but never let the balance get more than I could pay in full. 
Well now I’m curious. Were you just buying a cheap houses? Or is there an avenue there that I am missing.

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« Reply #7027 on: July 19, 2021, 10:05:35 AM »
borrow the money from a wealthy uncle or aunt or grandparent
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