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847badgerfan

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« Reply #6048 on: June 02, 2021, 05:02:00 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on June 02, 2021, 04:54:06 PM
Kerry Park is where you go for great views of the city. Sunset Hill Park up in Ballard is another great view of the Olympics if the weather is good. 

Definitely take a ferry. Washington State Ferries doesn't go to Poulsbo. But from the downtown dock, the Bainbridge Island ferry is an hour round trip and Bremerton two hours.

My favorite fish-and-chips place is Spud Fish and Chips, but none of their locations are easy to get to from downtown without a car.

Ivar's Salmon House's patio is now open.
Could have sworn they did, but memory fades and you actually lived out there. Anyway, renting a car for a day would be a good time to go across the Sound on a Ferry.
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« Reply #6049 on: June 02, 2021, 05:07:13 PM »
The last thing I want anywhere near Seattle is a car lol... 

I've been up that way for business a few times, and traffic is flat out insane. The growth of Microsoft and Amazon (and then all the tech stuff that sprung up around it), has made it ridiculous. Boeing was always big, but not "explosive growth" big. 

Staying downtown and paying a ridiculous amount to park, and then not wanting to get in the car to go anywhere because of traffic, doesn't sound fun. I'll have to figure out whether I need to take transit, rideshare, or taxi to get from the airport to downtown, but then I'm going to be happy to be car-less.
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« Reply #6050 on: June 02, 2021, 05:23:27 PM »
Yeah, I've been there without a car and it's fine. The light rail works fine. About 45 minutes from the airport.
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« Reply #6051 on: June 02, 2021, 06:14:38 PM »
We took a family trip to Seattle about five years ago.  No car.   We used our feet, cabs, bus,boats, trains, uber and light rail.   Took Amtrak down to PDX where we did rent car for later coastal purposes.   Great trip.

I would no longer visit PDX for other reasons. 
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« Reply #6052 on: June 03, 2021, 08:41:25 AM »
I didn't think Seattle traffic was unusual, but we took cabs and walked about downtown.

And I live here of course.
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« Reply #6053 on: June 03, 2021, 09:51:05 AM »
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« Reply #6054 on: June 03, 2021, 10:37:28 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2021, 05:07:13 PM
The last thing I want anywhere near Seattle is a car lol...

I've been up that way for business a few times, and traffic is flat out insane. The growth of Microsoft and Amazon (and then all the tech stuff that sprung up around it), has made it ridiculous. Boeing was always big, but not "explosive growth" big.

Staying downtown and paying a ridiculous amount to park, and then not wanting to get in the car to go anywhere because of traffic, doesn't sound fun. I'll have to figure out whether I need to take transit, rideshare, or taxi to get from the airport to downtown, but then I'm going to be happy to be car-less.
Seattle traffic was terrible when I lived there in 2007-08, and that was before South Lake Union turned into a high-rise farm. It's quickly joining Boston, New York, Chicago, and San Francisco on the list of cities in which not to drive unless absolutely necessary. 

Not sure where in downtown you're staying, but Sound Transit light rail is easy to take downtown from the airport. As for the ferries, you can walk onto them, so no car is needed to take them across the Sound. 

COVID and nearby construction forced Ivar's Acres of Clams on the waterfront to close. However, the Salmon House is about a 20 minute walk west from the UW/Husky Stadium light rail stop. Their clam chowder is the best in-stadium food in college football, bar none. 
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« Reply #6055 on: June 03, 2021, 11:38:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 03, 2021, 08:41:25 AM
I didn't think Seattle traffic was unusual, but we took cabs and walked about downtown.

And I live here of course.
I'm not even sure it's downtown traffic that's the worst. It's the mess of all the sprawl that came over the last three decades. 

Los Angeles traffic sucks, but Los Angeles was BUILT for sprawl. There is such an extensive freeway system out here to handle all this traffic that yeah, the traffic is bad, but at least the infrastructure was designed around it. There are tons of people and everyone drives EVERYWHERE, but the traffic outside of certain times of day and places in LA is not nearly as bad as its reputation IMHO. 

Places like Seattle have experienced rapid growth, and the infrastructure just didn't keep up. Places like Boston were developed before the invention of the automobile, and so everything was over-built without the opportunity to then just shove a freeway system into the middle of it that was functional--hence why they had to completely redo everything at massive cost and disruption in the Big Dig.

Atlanta is similar... Traffic sucks not because there are just too many people (like LA), but because the infrastructure growth didn't keep up with the population growth, especially when the much of the population growth happened out in the suburbs OTP... 
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« Reply #6056 on: June 03, 2021, 12:26:29 PM »
Worst traffic I've been in was in Honolulu.
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« Reply #6057 on: June 03, 2021, 12:45:50 PM »
Worst I've see was in Bordeaux.  But that's different.

This is "my exit" coming back from Costco, and this is pretty typical even this time of day, just traversed it.  There is only one N/S freeway and this is it.  Fortunately I can get off just before it usually bogs down.

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« Reply #6058 on: June 03, 2021, 12:55:52 PM »
Driving through downtown Paris was no fun that's for sure.

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« Reply #6059 on: June 03, 2021, 12:56:47 PM »
Yeah, Atlanta really boned it with 75 and 85 coming together for a few miles right in the heart of downtown... And then intersecting 20 right there too. 

LA has a similar mess where the 5, the 60, the 101, and the 10 all come together in a very small area. It's the one area that trying to traverse Los Angeles north-south on the 5 anytime after 5 AM and before 8 PM is painful. 
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« Reply #6060 on: June 03, 2021, 12:59:54 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 03, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
Yeah, Atlanta really boned it with 75 and 85 coming together for a few miles right in the heart of downtown... And then intersecting 20 right there too.

The plan was to build a parallel modern freeway east of that mess, the northern and southern parts did get built with a gap in the middle.  It would have cut through some nice residential areas.  

This is the connector in 1948 being built.  They had no acceleration lanes at all, none.  It was three lanes on each side as they figured that was sufficient.  You can see Tech's stadium lower left and the Biltmore Hotel large building centerish.  It's now offices, somehow survived the raising frenzy here.


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« Reply #6061 on: June 03, 2021, 01:48:42 PM »
Seattle is also heavily constrained by geography. The area on which to build is only about 20 miles wide at it's furthest, between Puget Sound and mountains, mostly public owned.
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