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« Reply #4984 on: April 20, 2021, 10:54:24 AM »
best wishes!
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« Reply #4985 on: April 20, 2021, 10:54:42 AM »
Status update, atrial flutter, in hospital fo r slew of tests, may have catheter ablation procedure tomorrow.

Heart is misfiring, resting comfortably.  Have all sorts of gizmos stuck to me.  Ciao.
Oh my, good luck to you

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« Reply #4986 on: April 20, 2021, 11:28:08 AM »
Status update, atrial flutter, in hospital fo r slew of tests, may have catheter ablation procedure tomorrow.

Heart is misfiring, resting comfortably.  Have all sorts of gizmos stuck to me.  Ciao.
Take care. Flirt with the nurses.
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« Reply #4987 on: April 20, 2021, 11:47:44 AM »
I get to go home, surgery in four weeks, heart scan was good, just the electrical issue, so I should be fine.  Folks here are very nice, Piedmont  Hospital.

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« Reply #4988 on: April 20, 2021, 11:56:10 AM »
good news
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« Reply #4989 on: April 20, 2021, 12:12:44 PM »
Good luck CD,stay off of social media when you get home.Prolly no good for your BP 😎
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« Reply #4990 on: April 20, 2021, 12:34:42 PM »
Great to hear. Stay well. 

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« Reply #4991 on: April 20, 2021, 12:37:44 PM »
BTW I do think one outcome is radical life extension..
From what I have seen the technology for this is still way off.

To consider:
Two and a half centuries ago the life expectancy at birth was around 35 years.

A lot of people misunderstand that to mean that many people died of old age at ~35-40 around the time of the Revolution. That is absolutely not true. Many of the founders of this nation, for example, lived to more than twice that age:
  • George Washington lived to 67
  • Thomas Jefferson and John Adams famously both died on the 50th anniversary of signing the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1826 when they were 83 and 90 respectively.
  • Benjamin Franklin was 70 at the time of the Revolution and that did not prevent him from sailing to Europe as America's first ambassador. He lived to 84.

Life expectancy was ~35 and yet I just gave three examples of people who lived to more than double that and a fourth who lived to nearly double that.

Today life expectancy is nearly 80 but there aren't any 160 year olds. Per wiki there are five currently living people over 115 (one in Japan and two each in France and Brazil) and only the world's 50 oldest individuals are over 111 year and 331 days. Only one person is believed to have lived past 120 which is only about 50% beyond the life expectancy in most of the developed world.

The reason for this is that modern medicine has accomplished miracles in reducing deaths from diseases that ravaged our ancestors but has accomplished very little against old age. A three-great grandfather of mine died of Scarlett Fever in his 40's. His father, son, grandson, and granddaughter (my grandmother) all lived well past 80. With modern medicine he would probably have lived past 80 as well, but he wouldn't have lived to 140 because old age hasn't moved much, if at all.

People from two and a half centuries ago who were lucky enough to avoid dying of diseases like Scarlett Fever generally "wore out" and died of old age in their 80's or so. Scarlett Fever and a multitude of diseases that used to be terrifying mortal threats are now basically non events but people still "wear out" and die of old age at about the same age as our 10-great grandparents. I'll start believing that this might be able to be radically extended only after I see it pushed upwards in a discernible and meaningful amount.


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« Reply #4992 on: April 20, 2021, 12:49:13 PM »
I get to go home, surgery in four weeks, heart scan was good, just the electrical issue, so I should be fine.  Folks here are very nice, Piedmont  Hospital.
Good news!


Good luck!

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« Reply #4993 on: April 20, 2021, 12:57:08 PM »
I think what would really extend life wouldn't be much of a life lived......perfect nutrition and air quality at all times, with the right amount of humidity, plus living much of it in an aquatic or space environment to extend the life of joints, etc.   


We can't really experiment too much with it, either, and that's the damning thing.  No one wants to be a lifelong guinea pig, and no one has the right to volunteer someone to be, from birth.  We may very well be able to make as much progress on life extension as anything else, but we lack any and all experimentation.
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« Reply #4994 on: April 20, 2021, 01:03:01 PM »
Hell, imagine being born on a ship bound for Mars or something like that.  No one asks for that.  Here, honey, we decided that you'd be born off of that blue, inhabitable planet.  We love you!
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« Reply #4995 on: April 20, 2021, 01:03:48 PM »
I get to go home, surgery in four weeks, heart scan was good, just the electrical issue, so I should be fine.  Folks here are very nice, Piedmont  Hospital.
This is excellent and makes me happy. 

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« Reply #4996 on: April 20, 2021, 01:26:47 PM »
From what I have seen the technology for this is still way off.

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Scarlett Fever and a multitude of diseases that used to be terrifying mortal threats are now basically non events but people still "wear out" and die of old age at about the same age as our 10-great grandparents. I'll start believing that this might be able to be radically extended only after I see it pushed upwards in a discernible and meaningful amount.
The technology is clearly not ready, but the real question is how far off is it? 

The truth of technology is that the rate of increase in technology tends to accelerate.

200 years ago we were just starting to figure out the steam engine. All travel was pretty much horse-drawn carriages, steam locomotives, or steamships. It took another 100 years to move it forward to the internal combustion engine. We advanced that into air travel by mid-century, and put a man on the moon only 25 years after mainstream rocketry was really pioneered in WWII. In the ensuing half-century, we've made air travel safer [and all travel] safer and more economical.

We were only learning the fundamental laws of electricity in the mid-1800s. We figured out the telegraph in the mid-1800s. Electrical generation and transmission and artificial electric light barely existed and were certainly not mainstream before 1900. Only after this did we actually figure out radio. The first CRT televisions were the mid-1920s. The transistor wasn't commercially viable until after WWII. The computer driving the Apollo missions was less capable than a modern calculator. Yet know we all carry computers around in our pockets every day, have a worldwide instantaneous communication network, can Zoom with our long-lost relatives and business colleagues anywhere in the world. We're pioneering in new fields like machine learning and AI which may accelerate learning new things through analysis methods that are not necessarily human-intuitive aided by processing power. 

100 years ago, we faced one of the larger pandemics the world had seen since the bubonic plague. At the time we did not even know that viruses existed. Penicillin wasn't even discovered until almost a decade later. Around that time we were starting to understand that DNA existed, but it wasn't until 1953 that the actual structure of DNA was discovered. We barely started to scratch the surface of genomic sequencing in the late 1970s, and it was only 20 years ago that we actually figured out the sequence of the human genome. Yet last year we sequenced a virus, developed a vaccine using mRNA which taught our bodies to produce a specific protein generated by that virus, and learn to build immunity to it. That doesn't even take into account all the medical advances over the last 100 years. 

But what we've seen over the last 100 years is that we now have advanced technology for communication and processing, and we've ALREADY been using that to accelerate our learning and development of medical advances to where we've advanced medicine more in the last 20 years then probably in the 40 years before that, and more in the last 100 years than in all of human history combined. And on all fronts, it appears to be accelerating, not stalling. 

There is ongoing research in the mechanisms of aging. We have some good understanding of HOW we age. We haven't really figured out very much how to slow or stop that process. It might be impossible. I don't know. But if it's possible, we're at a better time in history than ever to figure it out.

Will it happen in my lifetime? Well, one of the ideas being floated is that every advance that gets us partially there helps people live longer for the next advances to get us the next extension to be developed, such that at some point simply getting to step 1 may allow you to live long enough to see the problem solved. The question is whether step 1 is figured out before I'm too old and decrepit to make use of it, or after I've already passed.

Either way, it's exciting.

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« Reply #4997 on: April 20, 2021, 05:00:21 PM »
The technology is clearly not ready, but the real question is how far off is it?
Agreed.
The truth of technology is that the rate of increase in technology tends to accelerate.
It did, but I do not see this as an unbreakable law and I believe that the rate is slowing and will continue to decline.

As an example, consider air/space travel which you brought up. My grandfather was born in 1900 and died in 1984. When he was born no human had ever lifted off of earth's surface in a heavier-than-air craft:
  • When he was three the Wright Brothers flew.
  • When he was 14-18 aircraft advanced incredibly during WWI from early war observation planes that looked a lot like the Wright Flyer to late war bombers and fighters some of which were modern looking metal-skinned monoplanes.
  • When he was 39-45 aircraft advanced incredibly again during WWII.
  • Also during WWII the Germans deployed a guided rocket that was super-sonic and reached a low orbit.
  • When he was 69 he watched on his television as Purdue grad Neil Armstrong became the first man to walk on the moon.
  • When he was 72 Purdue grad Eugene Cernan became the last man to walk on the moon.

In between Armstrong and Cernan an additional 10 American men walked on the moon. That feat has not been accomplished in my lifetime and today NASA is so inept that US Astronauts can't even get to the Space Station without hitching a ride with the Russians. Note that the Space Station is only about 250 miles from earth while the moon is almost 240 THOUSAND miles from earth.

Only four men who walked on the moon are still living. They are 91, 88, 85, and 85 years old. Another seven men who flew into Lunar orbit but did not land are still living. They are all 85+.

With the exception of those 11 men and the 13 Appolo Astronauts who have already died, no human has ever been farther away from Earth than a low earth orbit.

In my lifetime no human has ever gone beyond low earth orbit.


Technology is slowing down and will continue to slow down because today we have alternative priorities and are ruled by corrupt morons. 

 

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