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MrNubbz

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« Reply #1498 on: December 27, 2020, 11:07:03 PM »
 I really do credit Dave Pelz' short game Bible for that.  I read that sucker 20 years ago and not a round goes by without me thinking about his work. 
Yogi berra once said "you can't think and hit at the same time".There's more than a grain of truth to that,IMO
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« Reply #1499 on: December 28, 2020, 09:32:49 AM »
OB or hazards tend to contribute to any of my doubles or triples.  I mean I can lay the sod over a full short iron from time to time but I'm  past the stage of my golfing life playing military golf or four jacking.  Scrambling seems to be something I'm very comfortable with.  I really do credit Dave Pelz' short game Bible for that.  I read that sucker 20 years ago and not a round goes by without me thinking about his work. 
always a good idea to refresh those thoughts
Penick and Hogan have also helped my game
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« Reply #1500 on: December 28, 2020, 09:33:45 AM »
Yogi berra once said "you can't think and hit at the same time".There's more than a grain of truth to that,IMO
I always tell folks, golf is not a thinking man's game
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« Reply #1501 on: December 28, 2020, 12:36:12 PM »
Your getting there.  What typically causes your blowup holes? Is it errant T-shots?
True. But I have found that there are two kinds of bogey golfers. The first kind is the player that pretty much bogeys every hole give or take.

The second kind is someone who is learning and has the potential to shoot pretty low scores. They get many pars and even a few birdies but then they get doubles and triples because usually they whack the ball out of bounds or something crazy like that.

Are used to be that guy but now I have eliminated the blowup holes in frequently get into the 70s but usually no worse than the low 80s
Yeah, my issue is inconsistency. 

I have the tools of a good golf game. My swing is fundamentally sound, it's more a matter of me just needing a lot more reps. I definitely think I have the potential to shoot much better scores. Managed 37 putts yesterday, so that's roughly (+1) where I should be and pretty standard for me. 

To give you a sense of where I screw up my game, I'll go over all the double-or-worse holes I played yesterday. Bear in mind this is a par 60 course, so the fact that some of these par 4s are short shouldn't surprise you.

#1 - ~280 yard par 4. This course doesn't have a range so I never take driver off this tee. Hit a 5 iron. Relatively good strike, down the right side, in light rough. Hit about 190-200 yards and I'm in range of a SW. Proceed to chunk the sand wedge about 45 yards. Hit the sand wedge again, lands on the green but rolls off the back. Pitch onto the green, and two putt for a double bogey. Clearly the fault here was my short game.

#6 - 300 yard par 4. Elevated tee. I made the bad decision and pulled driver. Thankfully didn't shank it, but ended up OB to the right.  Lost ball, had to take a drop. (I believe I should have hit provisional, which I need to change going forward...) Lying 2, my 3rd shot is another chunked SW. Get a little closer, and take another SW which goes just slightly off the back. Have a tricky downhill putt from the fringe, which I leave WAY short, and two putt from there for a 7. So my downfall was an OB drive, a chunked wedge, and three puts. 

#7 - ~150 yard par 3. Competely wormburner my tee shot. Just a total skull. Leaving me about 75-80 to the [back] pin. I choke down on my SW, trying to take a reasonably full (but gentle) swing. Strike the ball PURE... Which means I go about 8 yards too far, into the bunker behind the green. And because it was a beautiful, high, sand wedge, means it was coming almost straight down, and ends up in its own ball mark. Thankfully not plugged, but a terrible lie. Took me two to get it onto the green. So now I'm lying 4 on a par three, and two-putt for a triple-bogey 6. So the tee shot was bad but recoverable--I certainly could have gotten up and down for bogey. But the second shot going over the green into a terrible lie in a bunker was killer.

#16 - ~150 yard par 3. Completely shank my tee shot, low, FAR right, and short. Luckily not OB. End up with the ball well above my feet, and chunk a SW. Next SW shot lands on the green, but rolls about 8 ft off the back edge. Still within puttable distance, which I prefer because again I'm going to have a tricky downhill putt. My first putt gets caught up in the fringe a little too much and ends up rolling onto the green but still ~15 ft from the hole. Two-putt from there. So again, downfall was an errant tee shot, a chunked wedge, and then 3-putting. Finish with a triple-bogey 6. 

#18 - Normally 225 yard par 3, in this case the tees were up so it was about 200. Take a 4 iron. Hit a halfway decent tee shot, but it had a little too much draw and ended up left of the left side greenside bunker. BARELY avoided dropping in a water hazard, but the downside was that it left me with a really tough uphill lie near the edge of the water. Hit my 60 degree wedge, but didn't trust myself enough to hit it as hard as necessary, and just barely made it onto the green. Lag putt was halfway decent, leaving myself about 5 feet for bogey, but I missed it and finished with a double-bogey 5. Really the only killer here was that I couldn't two putt this one. My wedge wasn't a good shot, but I got on the green, so I blame my putting there. 

Just for comparison, I'll go over where I made par or better...

#2 - Par 3 normally ~180 yards, but playing about 170 with a front pin. Again still barely warmed up b/c the course doesn't have a range and it'd been a few weeks since I last hit. Take a 6 iron. Not a great hit, definitely low on the face, but starts right with a slight draw. Runs up onto the green and ends up on line with the flag about 20-25 ft past the pin. Again a downhill put (many greens here slope back to front), which I'm too afraid of going 10 feet past the hole, so I leave it maybe 7 feet short. But it's a straight putt, and I manage to sink that one for par.

#3 - 150 yard par 3. Take 8 iron, and again don't hit well--line drive hit extremely low on the face. Hit straight and slightly left of the flag. Hits a little berm in front of the green which slows it down and kicks it to the right. End up a little past pin high on the green, about 15-18 feet right of the hole. I read a some right-to-left break (again, slope is back to front), but end up hitting it slightly left of where I wanted and it broke more than I thought, so I'm left with a 3-footer for par, which I sink.

#4 - 266 yard par 4. Still don't feel like I'm hitting well enough to pull driver, so I grab the 5 iron again. This hole is forgiving to shots errant right, with a big slope that funnels things back towards the fairway. I strike the 5 iron quite well, but it's to the right. As it's coming down it must have gotten tangled up in some trees, but it drops and the slope takes it across the cart path back towards the fairway. Leaves me about 115 yards to a center pin location. I take a choked-down short-swing PW, and strike it perfectly. Best strike of the day so far. It's a little long but on the green. Unremarkable two putt for par. 

#10 - Probably shouldn't count this, but I will. It's normally a 240 yard par 4, but there was some maintenance to the tees so it was playing ~190. A bit tricky because the alternate tee location was on a slight slope, with the ball above your feet. Take the 5 iron, had a halfway decent strike but a bit low on the clubface, ended up just barely green high a little bit to the right. Unremarkable pitch and two putt for par. 

#12 - Short (115 yard) par 3. Took the choked-down 3/4 swing PW again. Struck it really nicely, but pulled left. Basically pin high and about 3 yards off the left edge. Again the green slopes pretty strongly back to front (left to right from my vantage) so I know my pitch will curve quite a bit. But I hit a great pitch, and it ends up basically perfect distance and about 3 feet above the hole. Make the putt for par. 

#14 - Uphill par 3, normally ~165 yards but due to the tees being a bit up and the pin being in front I figure it's playing about 145-150. Pull the 8 iron and strike it pure, albeit a bit to the right. Ends up a little past pin high and a bit right, leaving me about a 20-25 footer. Unremarkable two putt for par. 

#15 - 150 yard par 3. Again pull the 8 iron and just trying to swing easy. Felt like good contact, ball starts a little right of the hole with a nice draw bringing it back exactly on line. Oddly, I must have swung too easy or it wasn't as pure as I thought, because it lands about 3 feet short of the green. I'm left with a 20-25 foot uphill putt. Luckily my buddy had duffed his tee shot and then chunked his pitch, and his ball is about 3 feet right and 2 feet short of where I lie. So he's away, and nearly makes his putt (and gives me a perfect read). I end up striking the putt exactly as hard and on the line I wanted, and sink it for birdie. 

So my blow up holes aren't any single thing, but it's usually just having two bad shots on the same hole which screws me. I can often recover one bad shot for bogey (and occasionally par, on a par 4, if my second shot is really good), but two in a row is usually where I start getting into trouble. And I need to work on my short game, because three putts and duffed pitches will screw up your scorecard REAL quickly. I didn't even cover two holes where I didn't get onto the green until my third shot on par threes, but was decent enough on my final pitch to leave myself a makeable bogey putt. 

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« Reply #1502 on: December 28, 2020, 12:58:32 PM »
hah, most golfers that don't play at least twice a week

guys that do much better than this only playing a couple times a month are guys that have played tons of golf in previous years or just have very natural talent

my double or worse holes can all look like yours above - except I'm pretty solid with a wedge in my hand from over 50 yards out.  I can screw it up badly from less than 50 yards.

and I 3-putt more than I'd like
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« Reply #1503 on: December 28, 2020, 01:00:53 PM »
hah, most golfers that don't play at least twice a week

guys that do much better than this only playing a couple times a month are guys that have played tons of golf in previous years or just have very natural talent

my double or worse holes can all look like yours above - except I'm pretty solid with a wedge in my hand from over 50 yards out.  I can screw it up badly from less than 50 yards.

and I 3-putt more than I'd like
All those three putts add up to another beer of time on the course

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« Reply #1504 on: December 28, 2020, 01:32:04 PM »
the 3-putts sometimes influence me to take a larger swig than normal when I get back to the cart
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« Reply #1505 on: December 28, 2020, 02:35:06 PM »
and I 3-putt more than I'd like
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« Reply #1506 on: December 28, 2020, 02:36:07 PM »
All those three putts add up to another beer of time on the course
Now you're going to rattle him,thanx Coach
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« Reply #1507 on: December 28, 2020, 03:02:22 PM »
hah, most golfers that don't play at least twice a week

guys that do much better than this only playing a couple times a month are guys that have played tons of golf in previous years or just have very natural talent

my double or worse holes can all look like yours above - except I'm pretty solid with a wedge in my hand from over 50 yards out.  I can screw it up badly from less than 50 yards.

and I 3-putt more than I'd like
Yeah, I suspect that double or worse won't go "away" with my playing frequency. I'd like to make them more infrequent though!

Playing a much more difficult course Wednesday. Yesterday had a slope of 95 and 3700 yards -- Wednesday's course is 126 and is 6400 yards (from the back). I'm booked on as a single so I don't know if I'll play the back or middle tees--I'll just plan to do whatever the other three golfers want to play. 

At least they have a range so I can hit a little warm up bucket and make a call whether the driver comes out of the bag on the course or not lol...

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« Reply #1508 on: December 28, 2020, 03:11:37 PM »
I don't golf, but some of the guys at the harbor do. They went one afternoon this past summer and I asked my neighbor how he did.

He said he got his money's worth in shots. Lots of shots.
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« Reply #1509 on: December 28, 2020, 03:21:03 PM »
Yeah, I suspect that double or worse won't go "away" with my playing frequency. I'd like to make them more infrequent though!
don't think the doubles and triples are ever going away for me.  The past two seasons I've played over 130 rounds of golf.

I do avoid them more than I did when I wasn't playing too much golf.

In my defense, we're usually playing "Skins" which only pays for a good score such as par or birdie, so a single or a double or triple amount to the same in the money game.

It's not in my nature to "lay-up" or play it safe.  My conversion rate on "hero shots" isn't good, but...... I try to pull them off more often than I should.

hate taking my medicine
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« Reply #1510 on: December 28, 2020, 03:43:20 PM »
It's not in my nature to "lay-up" or play it safe.  My conversion rate on "hero shots" isn't good, but...... I try to pull them off more often than I should.
LOL... Yeah, I know the feeling. I've started to realize that playing it safe helps me quite a bit...

The course I played yesterday, the 9th hole should be easy, but if you don't trust your driver [as I don't], it is a problem.

It's only about 310 yard par 4. But about 200 yards from the tee, there's a creek. It crosses the fairway on a diagonal, shorter on the left (maybe 160-190 yards) and longer on the right (maybe 200-215 yards). And it's probably 30-40 feet below both the tee and the green, so it's a bit of a ravine--not a steep one, but definitely a slope.

If you trust you can carry >220, it's a very easy hole. You'll easily clear the creek, and then have an uphill lie for a wedge into the green for a nice high shot that'll stop. 

If you don't trust you can carry, you need to lay up. But if you lay up close to the creek, you'll have a horrible downhill lie to an uphill green. Horrible shot. 

Yesterday I took my pitching wedge off the tee to lay up before the downslope, and then a 5 iron to the green. Ended up almost pin high just left of the green, made a pretty decent pitch, but couldn't convert the par putt and ended with a bogey. 

If I had pulled the driver out of the bag, it probably would have been a double or worse.

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« Reply #1511 on: December 28, 2020, 04:11:16 PM »
the game is about confidence 

if I were rewarded with a tap in bogey or better when I laid up like that, I would do it more often, but I usually find another way to butcher the hole from there and curse myself for playing conservative.

my Cleveland wedges are my most confident clubs in the bag, but if I lay up or take medicine to get in a great wedge distance, somehow it goes bad.
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