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Topic: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #266 on: September 15, 2024, 10:17:57 AM »
the PAC-12 blames Aggie
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #267 on: September 15, 2024, 10:25:08 AM »
the PAC-12 blames Aggie
Texas legislature is also complicit.

aTm and Texas would be in the B1G if not for the "Tech Problem".

Where would Baylor be if not for Ann Richards?
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #268 on: September 15, 2024, 10:34:50 AM »
Tech Problem.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #269 on: September 15, 2024, 12:37:53 PM »
Texas legislature is also complicit.

aTm and Texas would be in the B1G if not for the "Tech Problem".

Where would Baylor be if not for Ann Richards?
It wasn't Ann Richards, she didn't give a rat's ass about sports.  It was all because of Lieutenant Governor Bob Bullock, who held degrees from both Baylor and Texas Tech.  For a savvy politician, the position of Lieutenant Governor in the state of Texas, can be far more powerful than the governor himself.  Because LG is basically the president of the state senate, and that's where the true power lies.

I always liked the idea of Texas in the B1G but I don't think it was ever really going to happen.  Once Disney and Fox came up with enough money to keep the B12 at least semi-competitive with the SEC and the B1G, then Texas was happy to remain in the B12 which was always its preference, anyway.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #270 on: September 15, 2024, 02:45:54 PM »
The Texas campus has a Big Ten feel to it.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #271 on: September 15, 2024, 08:26:46 PM »
The Texas campus has a Big Ten feel to it.
Not in December.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #272 on: September 15, 2024, 08:53:09 PM »
I could envision a scenario where A&M explored being in the PAC or B1G just to keep our options open, but that doesn’t mean it was ever going to happen. The University of Texas, and Texas A&M, at their core, are just very different institutions. At least they are to my eye. Just because one wants something doesn’t mean the other wants the same thing. 

I never read or heard anything from any kind of media or news or even fan sites that made me think UT, it’s leaders and it’s fans, wanted to be in the SEC. Even now, I’m not sure I detect much true excitement from anybody who is truly associated with UT. Most of the Longhorn posters on here seem kinda ambivalent about it, like they knew it was an eventuality that’s is just accepted rather than welcomed. 

For A&M, to me, it seems just the opposite.  Our fans were excited to be in the SEC, if not a little scared due to the high level of competition. But, despite some bumpy rides along the way, I’d say we’re pretty happy with how we’ve competed here relative to our history and the level of our competitors.  


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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #273 on: September 16, 2024, 01:29:54 AM »
This might be the year a 7th different program wins the conference.

Since the initial expansion in 1992, only the same 6 schools have won an SEC championship.  And the have-nots hardly have any appearances in the SECCG, much less winning it.
I think Arky's gotten there twice?  MSU once.  I don't think Ole Miss ever has.  Carolina once.  Mizzou twice intiially, then not since.  A&M hasn't made it to Atlanta, has it?  

Texas making it 7 in its first year would be something.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #274 on: September 16, 2024, 07:43:34 AM »
I believe Arkansas has been to the SECCCG 4 times. But I could be mistaken. Obviously they have not been there since I think around 2005-2008 time frame?  I’ll look it up. 

A&M also got close in year 1. One game out, losses to a good Florida team and LSU, but we beat Bama in Tuscaloosa. Very exciting year for our fans, went on to destroy old Big 12 foe OU in the Cotton Bowl. 

Texas looks good, but it’s a long way to the CCG. Still not sure how this looks with no divisions. The league feels very clunky to me at this point. 

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #275 on: September 16, 2024, 08:23:25 AM »
divisions would help
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #276 on: September 16, 2024, 08:35:28 AM »
I could envision a scenario where A&M explored being in the PAC or B1G just to keep our options open, but that doesn’t mean it was ever going to happen. The University of Texas, and Texas A&M, at their core, are just very different institutions. At least they are to my eye. Just because one wants something doesn’t mean the other wants the same thing.

I never read or heard anything from any kind of media or news or even fan sites that made me think UT, it’s leaders and it’s fans, wanted to be in the SEC. Even now, I’m not sure I detect much true excitement from anybody who is truly associated with UT. Most of the Longhorn posters on here seem kinda ambivalent about it, like they knew it was an eventuality that’s is just accepted rather than welcomed.

For A&M, to me, it seems just the opposite.  Our fans were excited to be in the SEC, if not a little scared due to the high level of competition. But, despite some bumpy rides along the way, I’d say we’re pretty happy with how we’ve competed here relative to our history and the level of our competitors. 



Yes, Texas fans don't view the SEC as a brotherhood they longed to join.  Conferences might have been that way 50 years ago but ever since the Georgia/OU court decision in 1984 it's been all about business.  Penn State didn't join the Big Ten in 1991 because they thought they were joining a brotherhood of like-minded fellow fans, they joined because the Big Ten offered them more money.  Arkansas didn't leave the SWC in 1992 because they thought the SEC was their destiny, they left because the SEC offered them more money.  Missouri didn't even want the SEC, they wanted the B1G, but they left for the SEC anyway, because the SEC offered them more money.  And then think of ALL of the smaller schools shifting conferences, moving up from the G5 conferences into the P4 conferences.  West Virginia didn't join the B12 because it was emotionally invested, they joined for more money and exposure.  Same for Cincy, Houston, TCU, BYU.  Maryland left the ACC not because it desperately wanted to play games in the Rust Belt, they left for the promise of more money.  Same for Rutgers to the b1G, plus countless other schools shifting around amongst the G5 conferences.

Honestly A&M is an outlier here, and I understand why.  A&M wanted to move away from UT's shadow and believed that staying in the same conference ultimately worked against its long-term interest, so the A&M administration made a change. Aggie fans wanted a place to belong that felt more like their own.  I think it was the right decision for A&M at the time and for the most part it worked out for the Ags.  But I think it's a bit misplaced, or out of touch with reality, to think that all of the other schools switching conferences, are doing it because they long for a sense of belonging.  I think the Ags are pretty unique in that aspect.

But don't misunderstand our lack of some burning desire to join the SEC, for being unhappy about it.  I'm excited about the new matchups, I'm excited to be reunited with longtime rivals Arkansas and A&M on an annual basis (hopefully).  As you said, many of us felt this move was inevitable, because the B12 contracts were never ultimately going to be able to keep pace with the B1G and SEC contracts, and geographically the SEC makes more sense than the B1G for Texas.  This is the new landscape of college football, such as it is.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #277 on: September 16, 2024, 08:46:49 AM »
This might be the year a 7th different program wins the conference.

Since the initial expansion in 1992, only the same 6 schools have won an SEC championship.  And the have-nots hardly have any appearances in the SECCG, much less winning it.
I think Arky's gotten there twice?  MSU once.  I don't think Ole Miss ever has.  Carolina once.  Mizzou twice intiially, then not since.  A&M hasn't made it to Atlanta, has it? 

Texas making it 7 in its first year would be something.

It would be something, but there's so much football left to be played.  Georgia, OU, A&M all still on the schedule.  Kentucky too, they were no easy match for Georgia.  Texas should beat Miss State and Vanderbilt, but y'all have never seen an Arkansas crowd when Texas comes to play.  They're absolutely nuts and the team always has something special in store for the Horns.  And the Gators are still... well, an SEC team.

Only 3 games in, I'm definitely not thinking about the SECCCG.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #278 on: September 16, 2024, 08:48:14 AM »
Yes, Texas fans don't view the SEC as a brotherhood they longed to join.  Conferences might have been that way 50 years ago but ever since the Georgia/OU court decision in 1984 it's been all about business.  Penn State didn't join the Big Ten in 1991 because they thought they were joining a brotherhood of like-minded fellow fans, they joined because the Big Ten offered them more money.  Arkansas didn't leave the SWC in 1992 because they thought the SEC was their destiny, they left because the SEC offered them more money.  Missouri didn't even want the SEC, they wanted the B1G, but they left for the SEC anyway, because the SEC offered them more money.  And then think of ALL of the smaller schools shifting conferences, moving up from the G5 conferences into the P4 conferences.  West Virginia didn't join the B12 because it was emotionally invested, they joined for more money and exposure.  Same for Cincy, Houston, TCU, BYU.  Maryland left the ACC not because it desperately wanted to play games in the Rust Belt, they left for the promise of more money.  Same for Rutgers to the b1G, plus countless other schools shifting around amongst the G5 conferences.

Honestly A&M is an outlier here, and I understand why.  A&M wanted to move away from UT's shadow and believed that staying in the same conference ultimately worked against its long-term interest, so the A&M administration made a change. Aggie fans wanted a place to belong that felt more like their own.  I think it was the right decision for A&M at the time and for the most part it worked out for the Ags.  But I think it's a bit misplaced, or out of touch with reality, to think that all of the other schools switching conferences, are doing it because they long for a sense of belonging.  I think the Ags are pretty unique in that aspect.

But don't misunderstand our lack of some burning desire to join the SEC, for being unhappy about it.  I'm excited about the new matchups, I'm excited to be reunited with longtime rivals Arkansas and A&M on an annual basis (hopefully).  As you said, many of us felt this move was inevitable, because the B12 contracts were never ultimately going to be able to keep pace with the B1G and SEC contracts, and geographically the SEC makes more sense than the B1G for Texas.  This is the new landscape of college football, such as it is.
JoePa wanted to be in a conference. The other Eastern Indy's did not, so PSU applied to the Big Ten for admission.

That one was not about money. PSU was doing just fine on its own, but JoePa saw the future and being Indy was not going to make it much longer for schools not called ND. He was right.

The JoePa conference:

Penn State
Miami
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

That's a damn fine conference. And all of those schools joined conferences (mostly the Big East) shortly after PSU decided to go to the Big Ten.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #279 on: September 16, 2024, 08:48:27 AM »
A page of SEC talk in a Pac 12 thread on a Big Ten board. 

Nice. 

 

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