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Topic: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?

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utee94

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2023, 11:55:36 AM »
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« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2023, 12:19:22 PM »
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2023, 12:46:07 PM »
Big Ten Doesn't Want To Deliver 'Final Blow' To The Pac-12 (msn.com)
Big Ten Doesn't Want To Deliver 'Final Blow' To The Pac-12 (msn.com)


Ummm... they did that last year.
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utee94

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« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2023, 12:47:33 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
Big Ten Doesn't Want To Deliver 'Final Blow' To The Pac-12 (msn.com)
Big Ten Doesn't Want To Deliver 'Final Blow' To The Pac-12 (msn.com)


Ummm... they did that last year.
Yeah I've seen a lot of opinion pieces saying similar dumb things.  The B1G poached USC and UCLA.  The death blow has already been delivered.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2023, 12:47:37 PM »
I guess one could call that the major blow, and then there would be the final blow ...

The Pac could survive if they don't lose more teams as a something, but if two more leave ...
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2023, 12:48:38 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2023, 12:47:33 PM
Yeah I've seen a lot of opinion pieces saying similar dumb things.  The B1G poached USC and UCLA.  The death blow has already been delivered.
Huh, I've never seen an opinion piece saying dumb things ...

(I'm sure you notice how they get a lot more play by saying dumb things than not.)
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2023, 02:35:10 PM »
This is a ranking of research spending by institutions.

There are some things that are goofy. For instance, every time we discuss this, @utee94 points out that Texas and their medical school are listed separately.

This matters, IMHO, because the B1G is not just an athletic conference but also a research consortium. When we B1G types talk about academics, this is what we are talking about. Undergraduate rankings are nice (and generally loosely follow this) but that is not where the big money is. The money, way more than football even, is in research.

When making the list below, I've left out institutions that do not field FBS teams (such as #1 John's Hopkins) and tried to combine things like the aforementioned Texas and their medical school.

2021 Research spending by schools that compete at the FBS level in football:

  • $1.9B, Texas (their med school is #19 at $1.1B and the rest of the school is #35 at $800M) SEC
  • $1.6B, Michigan B1G
  • $1.5B, Washington Should be invited
  • $1.5B, UCLA B1G
  • $1.4B, Wisconsin B1G
  • $1.3B, Stanford Should be invited
  • $1.2B, DOOK ACC
  • $1.2B, Ohio State B1G
  • $1.2B, North Carolina Should be invited
  • $1.1B, aTm SEC
  • $1.1B, Maryland B1G
  • $1.1, PITT ACC
  • $1.1B, GaTech ACC
  • $1.1B, Minnesota B1G
  • $1.0B, Vanderbilt SEC
  • $1.0B, Penn State B1G
  • $1.0B, Florida SEC
  • $1.0B, USC B1G
  • $913M, Northwestern B1G
  • $847M, California PAC
  • $770M, Arizona PAC?
  • $766M Baylor (includes medical which is nearly all of the total)
  • $731M, Illinois B1G
  • $710M, Michigan State B1G
  • $695M, Indiana B1G
  • $679M, Purdue B1G

The B1G absolutely dominates this list. USC and UCLA further that dominance. Washington and Stanford would as well.
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« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2023, 02:55:29 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 03, 2023, 10:19:36 AM
obviously if the choice was between Oregon and certain southern teams, I’m probably going with the southern team. Although I would be wary of Miami (not many fans, only modest recent success). FSU is interesting because I think the power of its alumni base is only gonna grow, even if it comes attached to FSU nonsense.
fans in the stadiums don't matter. tv market size & recruiting should be the only concerns, period.

Miami is literally always just one good coach away from being an elite football program. why? they are sitting on the most fertile recruiting grounds in the entire fkn country.

Miami should be #1 on the B1G's wishlist with a bullet. And it's not even remotely close.

Again, Oregon adds LITERALLY NOTHING and only hurts USC, M, OSU, PSU. B1G needs to figure out how to drive Oregon football into the fkn ground and let them die the death they deserve. Why on EARTH would anyone with half a brain cell ever think about throwing Oregon a life line and letting them into the B1G? Would be absolutely retarded. Beyond retarded.
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« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2023, 02:58:56 PM »
@Mdot21 , please stop holding back and tell us how you really feel.
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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2023, 03:21:01 PM »
It's funny because it is now exactly what I expect the B1G to do... :)
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2023, 03:30:25 PM »
Two things I still think do not matter are recruiting grounds and research spending, and yes, I could be way off on that.  
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2023, 03:46:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Two things I still think do not matter are recruiting grounds and research spending, and yes, I could be way off on that. 
On the research spending front, the rumor that yhe B1G is considering Oregon supports your theory. If it matters, they will NOT be seriously considered as their research spending is even worse than Notre Dame. 
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2023, 03:53:43 PM »
Could making the idea public that Oregon is on the table be a veiled threat to Stanford? I.e. "We really want you and Washington, but we'd take Oregon and Washington, and there are only so many possible seats on this bus. So if you don't want to be left out in the cold, the clock is ticking to say yes..."
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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2023, 03:55:09 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Two things I still think do not matter are recruiting grounds and research spending, and yes, I could be way off on that. 
tv revenue is all that matters. that will drive the expansion. California is the most populous state in the US and LA is a massive tv market- second only to NYC. Florida is already the 3rd most populous state in the US and is also maybe the fastest growing state- and the South FL tv market has got to be a top 5 or 10 in the entire US. Those things matter. Oregon and Washington do not offer jackshit in the way of tv markets, population, or growth. Therefore they offer nothing when it comes to expansion. Adding either of them makes zero sense.

research spending for sure does not and should not matter.

recruiting factors in the equation, for sure, but it is obviously secondary. if you don't think B1G adding UCLA & USC to tap into LA 'crootin didn't factor at all in that decision you're sadly mistaken. 

lockdown FSU & Miami and B1G footprint/presence is entrenched in the #1 (Florida) and #3 (California) states for football talent (you know- the only sport that matters- and drives this whole damn thing) and in the #1 (Miami) and #2 (LA) metros for football talent.
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