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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2019, 10:10:24 PM »
Right.  The Big 12 began play the year after the "Bowl Coalition" began operation.  By the time we went through the Bowl Alliance and then into the BCS, several traditional bowl arrangements had been cast aside.  I don't know if the Big 12 even tried to extend the connection with the Orange Bowl.  It ended up aligned with the Fiesta Bowl during the BCS era.  Phoenix is about 500 miles closer (1000 miles vs. 1500), but a lot of OU fans would have preferred to have stayed with the Orange Bowl affiliation.
hah, just one more vote that went 11-1 against UNL when forming the Big 12
the fans didn't get to vote
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2019, 10:53:29 PM »
They should have only added Texas and aTm.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2019, 11:00:56 PM »
should have only added A&M and Tech

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2019, 11:23:06 PM »
hah, just one more vote that went 11-1 against UNL when forming the Big 12
the fans didn't get to vote
I know that a bunch of votes went that way.
But was ditching the Orange Bowl in favor of the Fiesta one of them?
Nebraska would have been better off had the Big 12 been formed back in the '50s.  Or even the '80s.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2019, 08:31:01 AM »
should have only added A&M and Tech


Then the "New Big8" would have died as surely as the old Big 8 did.  But you already know that. :)

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2019, 08:32:58 AM »
I'm 90% sure there's been a rule set for 10 P5 games. Maybe it hasn't been implemented, but it's a thing, I'm sure of it.

Where has such a rule been made?  Who would enforce it?  You might be 90% sure there's a rule, but it's most certainly not being enforced.  Is there a timeline for implementation?

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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2019, 08:41:51 AM »
Then the "New Big8" would have died as surely as the old Big 8 did.  But you already know that. :)
I didn't think the Big 8 died, but rather they welcomed members of the failed SWC. Am I wrong?
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2019, 08:45:34 AM »
I think the Big XII was technically a "new conference" and not an "expansion" of the Big 8.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2019, 08:46:15 AM »
Scheduling zero P5 opponents OOC is a bigger sin than not going from 8 to 9 conference games, sorry.  When it comes to the conference games, you've got a lot of entities and opinions and powers out of your control. 
Your school's OOC schedule is on you alone.  You either decide to schedule someone that can beat you or you don't. 

No, it's not. 

Going to 9 conference games is the quickest, easiest, surest path to increase the number of total P5 teams on the schedule, because the conference can't control schools' individual OOC schedules but it certainly can control the in-conference schedules.

And the television broadcasting partners-- who wield the most control over conference decisions of ANY oustide entity-- are absolutely on-board with this.  In the case of the SEC, it would increase their inventory of SEC vs. SEC games rather than SEC vs. Sunbelt or SEC vs. FCS games.  They'd love that, and would pay more for it.

I'm not sure why you bring up fans complaining about the SEC scheduling, when you're complaining about OOC scheduling.  Both are issues that can and should be addressed if the goal is to level the playing field.

Nobody here is disagreeing that the SEC currently has no incentive to do so.  That's not the discussion being had.

We're not talking about the current system at all, rather we're fantasizing about implementing new rules to force schools into behaviors that they're currently unwilling to perform, behaviors that are intended to level the playing field and increase the level of competition across all conferences.  And if that's the goal, then it starts with creating a rule that forces everyone to play the same number of conference games.  And then if schools are still unwilling to schedule a 10th P5 game, the next rule is to to force them to do so.




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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2019, 08:48:45 AM »
I didn't think the Big 8 died, but rather they welcomed members of the failed SWC. Am I wrong?

Conference name changed, league offices moved, all old records for Big 8 and SWC were frozen and B12 records started new in 1996, many Big8 league rules (like rules around allowing NQ, PQ, Prop48 kids) were dramatically changed, new television contracts were signed.

It was designed to be a new conference.  Your perception is certainly up to you, though.


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« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2019, 08:51:31 AM »
Was the Big 8 dying? I don't recall anything about that. My memory is that it was a solid conference, with stable membership, for many years.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2019, 08:54:45 AM »
Was the Big 8 dying? I don't recall anything about that. My memory is that it was a solid conference, with stable membership, for many years.

In the new TV era, it was going to die.  That's the reason-- the only reason-- that the B8 decided to merge with the Texas schools in the first place.

If the SWC suffered from a TV market perspective (and it did), then the Big 8 was in a far worse position, with even fewer large TV markets.

Merging the 2 conferences still didn't solve all of those TV revenue problems at the time, which is one of several reasons the B12 remained somewhat unstable in its early years.  There were plenty of other reasons of course, not the least of which were the numerous 11-1 votes that Fearless mentioned that went against Nebraska and left the NU administration disgruntled.

And then of course, IMO, the worst decision made was NOT maintaining the old Big8's premier rivalry-- Nebraska-Oklahoma-- as an annual game.  I've lamented that one many times, even as a SWC fan through my early years I still always enjoyed the NU-OU game.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2019, 09:33:26 AM »
Yeah, that game should have been protected - or played as a non-conference game, in years it was not a conference game.
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