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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 09:45:38 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 01, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
There are schools that get to keep guys for four years?
Nick Chubb and Sony Michel are examples who stayed.  Chubb ended up number two in all time yardage rushing in the SEC.  Michel ended number three at UGA among backs.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 09:47:32 AM »
And oddly Michel was drafted ahead of Chubb.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 10:21:55 AM »
In 1981, college athletic recruiting changed forever as a dozen big-time football programs sat waiting for the decision by a physically powerful and lightning-quick high school running back named Marcus Dupree.

On his way to eclipsing Herschel Walker's record for the most touchdowns in high school history, Dupree attracted recruiters from schools in every major conference to his hometown of Philadelphia, Miss.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 02:24:07 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 01, 2018, 07:22:13 PM
If Herschel Walker stayed at UGA for his SR season...

average his carries his SO/JR years and multiply by his career ypc = 1908

5259 + 1908 = 7,167 yards
Walker would still hold the career rushing record, despite Dayne's bowl stats counting and Walker's not.  That's crazy.
Dayne’s bowl stats don’t count. They only started that in 2002.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 02:33:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 01, 2018, 07:35:10 PM
As an aside, can I just rant here about all-time passing numbers and the schools these "top" guys performed at?  
Here's a list of the top 10 in passing yardage for a career, by school, not player:
Houston
Hawai'i
OU
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise St
OU
Washington St
Hawai'i
Marshall

Maybe I'm just a snob, but I really would like an all-time P5-type leaderboard separate from the 'I threw for 600 yards against the 90th-toughest schedule' crowd.  
Big numbers are a function of style as well as skill. That affects passing more than running (along with shifts in the way the game is played).
It’s also worth noting, only one of those guys played before 2000 and only two before 2005. 
If you filter out the G5, it’s
Landry Jones
Graham Harrell
Baker Mayfield
Luke Faulk
Mason Rudolph
Sean Mannion
Phillip Rivers 
Colt McCoy
Aaron Murray
Chase Daniel
Career passing yards might just not be that useful of a metric. 
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 02:57:21 PM »
Le'Veon Bell was just about the only player on the 2012 MSU offense worth a damn.  He would have been a pretty nice addition to the 2013 Rose Bowl Champion team.

As far of actual stats, tough to say.  Team ypc went from 3.9 ypc to 4.3 ypc.  So the easy fix is to raise his ypc from 4.7 tp 5.1, but then how do you calculate carries?  He had an insane 382 of the 430 RB carries in 2012 (88.8%).  He may have just wound up only slightly better than the 292 carries, 1,422 yards (4.9 ypc) season that Langford wound up with.

Or maybe I can use the fact that Langford's ypc increased by 88% from 2012 to 2013, and assume that Bell would get the same share of carries, as he did in 2012.  So 374 carries at 8.836 ypc and you have your new NCAA single season rushing leader at 3,305 yards, boosting his career total to 6,651 yards, also an NCAA record.   :93:
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 02:59:20 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 02, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Career passing yards might just not be that useful of a metric.
If I had the time it would be nice to find the national average for whatever period of eligibility the player had an compare his as a percentage of the national average to get a better idea.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2018, 03:00:38 PM »
That's some gorilla math right there...
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 03:02:54 PM »
Still better than using raw yardage
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 03:24:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 02, 2018, 02:24:07 PM
Dayne’s bowl stats don’t count. They only started that in 2002.
On CFR, his bowl stats from his first 3 years are included.  There's literally a 4-year gap where the NCAA won't include bowl stats, which might be THE dumbest thing I've ever heard of.  Ever.  With no reasoning behind it.  
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2018, 03:25:09 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 02, 2018, 03:02:54 PM
Still better than using raw yardage
Uhh, I was complaining about the raw yardage top 10.......not that it was the most valid anything.  
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2018, 03:29:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2018, 03:25:09 PM
Uhh, I was complaining about the raw yardage top 10.......not that it was the most valid anything.  
Right, but that even if you limit it to Power 5, it doesn't help a ton.  His point was that career yardage isn't much of a useful metric, period, even controlling for level of competition.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2018, 03:29:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2018, 03:24:25 PM
On CFR, his bowl stats from his first 3 years are included.  There's literally a 4-year gap where the NCAA won't include bowl stats, which might be THE dumbest thing I've ever heard of.  Ever.  With no reasoning behind it.  
Official list
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_career_rushing_yards_leaders
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2018, 05:30:34 PM »
I was using Dayne's numbers with the bowls and Walker's without, which makes it all the more amazing, as I said....
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