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ohio1317

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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 10:54:27 AM »
I like the creativity but not a fan of any plan that has us play anyone less than we already are.  I hate the "parity based scheduling" already that has us playing Nebraska 6 years in a row, but leaves us only playing everyone else in the other division 2 out of 6 years.  Would much rather dump that and go to a straight rotation even if it leaves schedules uneven some years (which they'll find a way to be anyway) outside of locking Purdue-Indiana.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 11:06:33 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 12, 2017, 09:03:04 AM
11 teams is stupid.  It was the Big Ten for decades.  It was just fine then.

9 conference games in a full roundrobin, 3 OOC games, for a nice 12-game regular season schedule.  

Then the postseason can do whatever it wants, I largely ignore it these days.

You're welcome.
You are forgetting one thing. Without CCG's, all teams would play 13.

11 teams in a conference => 10 conference games. Plus 3 OOC games.

With this model, you could have Lincoln and Columbia (or Aggy) back and grab Arky, all while dumping Bayor, obviously, and letting WVU go back East to play its old friends.

You're welcome.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 11:17:23 AM »
Going back to 11 ain't happening.
Going back to 10 ain't happening.

Mismatching good vs good and bad vs bad ain't happening.

The only acceptable idea going forward is the 16-team conference, 4 pods of 4 scheme.  That way, you play everyone else in the conference either
a - at least every other year, or
b - home-and-home every 4 years

This whole thing isn't going backwards, as much as we'd love it to.  But the pod system actually works - playing the 3 in your pod every year, then 2 from each of the others every other or every 4 years (depending if it's important you play home and away in consecutive years or not).  Either way, each 4-year class of players will get to play everyone else in the big, bloated conference.

Isn't that what matters?
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 11:18:54 AM »
So what 2 schools get added and what are the 4 pods (the teams you play every year)?

KU & MIZ?
UVA & UNC?
SU & BC?

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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 11:19:53 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 12, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
Going back to 11 ain't happening.
Going back to 10 ain't happening.

Mismatching good vs good and bad vs bad ain't happening.

The only acceptable idea going forward is the 16-team conference, 4 pods of 4 scheme.  That way, you play everyone else in the conference either
a - at least every other year, or
b - home-and-home every 4 years

This whole thing isn't going backwards, as much as we'd love it to.  But the pod system actually works - playing the 3 in your pod every year, then 2 from each of the others every other or every 4 years (depending if it's important you play home and away in consecutive years or not).  Either way, each 4-year class of players will get to play everyone else in the big, bloated conference.

Isn't that what matters?
Let's see what happens in 2025, when TV's no longer matter.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 11:22:53 AM »
The Big Ten does not need divisions.  Also, do not need a championship game; it's over-rated and I'd rather see the Big Ten play 10 conference games.   Rivals can play their game every year and others team rotate off and on schedule.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »
Example, for clarity (this assumes the B10 adds Missouri and Kansas):

UMD
RUT
PSU
OSU

UM
MSU
IU
PU

MIN
WIS
NW
ILL

IOWA
UNL
KU
MIZ

So say I'm Ohio State....my 9 conference games per year are:
2018
Maryland, @Rutgers, Penn St, @Michigan, Indiana, @Minnesota, Northwestern, @Iowa, Kansas
2019
@Maryland, Rutgers, @Penn St, MSU, @Purdue, Wisconsin,@ Illinois, Nebraska, @Missouri
2020
Maryland, @Rutgers, Penn St, Michigan, @Indiana, Minnesota, @Northwestern, Iowa, @Kansas
2021
@Maryland, Rutgers, @Penn St, @MSU, Purdue, @Wisconsin, Illinois, @Nebraska, Missouri

I chose my preferred method, of not having the home-and-homes on consecutive years.  This way, each recruiting class gets to play everyone else every 2 years, and will play everyone home and away in their 4 years.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2017, 11:39:13 AM »
You can't split up Minnie, Iowa and UW. Just can't. Won't happen again. Add UNL to that pod.

You guys get to keep Mizzou while Kansas looks for a home.

I guess Virginia would be a good add. Probably GT too. Or OU and UT.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2017, 12:15:04 PM »
I dont like 16 even with pods. Like the fact you remove a few locked games, but conferences already too big and disjointed.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 12:35:14 PM »
Yeah, I'm extremely grateful that Nebraska stepped up just in time for us to dodge the Mizzou bullet.

Keep that trash as far from the Big Ten as possible. 
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 11:13:26 PM »
Quote from: ohio1317 on October 12, 2017, 12:15:04 PM
I dont like 16 even with pods. Like the fact you remove a few locked games, but conferences already too big and disjointed.
Right, well.....it isn't going to shrink.  At least with the pods, you play everyone every other year.  Better than how it is now, actually.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2017, 09:08:48 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 12, 2017, 11:25:34 AM
Example, for clarity (this assumes the B10 adds Missouri and Kansas):

UMD
RUT
PSU
OSU

UM
MSU
IU
PU

MIN
WIS
NW
ILL

IOWA
UNL
KU
MIZ

I chose my preferred method, of not having the home-and-homes on consecutive years.  This way, each recruiting class gets to play everyone else every 2 years, and will play everyone home and away in their 4 years.
Because of the Iowa-Minn-Wisc needing to play each year and ILL-NW, etc.  Its probably better to just have 2 east-west 8-team divisions.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2017, 09:41:53 AM »
10 conference games would solve a lot of problems too.

I'd rather see (almost) any B1G team come into Madison over Florida Atlantic or something.
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Re: Idea for division cross-overs
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2017, 09:58:17 AM »
11 teams and 10 conference games would solve everything
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