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Topic: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?

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MaximumSam

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #490 on: August 23, 2024, 03:37:23 PM »
Quick side jaunt to Cliffs of Moher, couple days around Killarney, and then a few days in Dublin.
That's cool. When I was in law school I studied abroad in Oxford, but spent two weeks in Ireland before hand. I enjoyed the random walks around the countryside. Finding thousand year old buildings just hanging out on a path was special.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #491 on: August 23, 2024, 04:10:04 PM »
We've traveled quite a bit obviously.  With the economy obviously doing GREAT with record stock market levels, I'm eager to spend it while I can.

I'm being a bit facetious.

Our big trip is a 30 day cruise in Asia in March.  And Istanbul is coming up in a few weeks.
We have a 36 day in April/May next year going across the altantic starting in San Juan,  Hitting Islands along the way to Portugal and then covering the mediterrean Spain, France, Italy, down to Egypt and finish in Istanbul.  26 stops along the way. The rest are 7 to 10 day trips. Mexican riveria, western Carribbean, Hawaii, New England/Canada coast.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #492 on: August 23, 2024, 04:12:24 PM »
Oh, and take it to the Travel Unimpressions Thread!

Never was a great fan of Guiness until I went to the Guiness Warehouse in Dublin. Turns out it make a big difference where and how it is served.  Drank it all through Ireland and England. 

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #493 on: August 26, 2024, 07:13:30 AM »
Dividend stocks as a hot play into fall due to Fed and interest rates (cnbc.com)

I had moved some holdings in my IRA into shorter term CDs, they were paying 5.3% or so, now they are under 5%.  I still have a lot of dividend stocks, including an ETF, SCHD, that has done well over time.  A good dividend stock, to me, is not the ones with the highest raw number, but one that is decent now but has good prospects, and a history, of increasing their payment, which has to be based on decent overall company growth.

Quite a few drug stocks pay a nice dividend, and they can be more risky than say consumer stocks like KO.  Some regional bank stocks I like, like KEY, they've done well since dropping pretty hard about a year or so back.

The stock markets are saying the US economy is doing pretty well, at least shorter term, but we all know they can be driven by Fed actions (as is the case today I think).  My GUESS is the Fed cuts 25 bps in September, not 50, and the markets react negatively on that news, while going up with the anticipation of maybe a 50.  

One watch out for careful investors is your balance between "stocks and bonds", when stocks go up a lot, your preferred ratio, whatever it is, say it's 60:40, can become 80-20 if you don't reallocate and rebalance.  That's one thing I try and eyeball myself.

It would be unusual to have the stock market reaching new highs if the US economy wasn't on fairly sound footing.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #494 on: August 26, 2024, 06:43:49 PM »
The national average for a gallon of regular has fallen more than 20 cents since May and is now at $3.38 — about 47 cents lower than this time a year ago. Experts say the trend is likely to continue in the coming months, possibly leading to $3-a-gallon gasoline for the first time since 2021.

According to AAA, as of Thursday, the price per gallon for regular gasoline ranged from $4.59 in California, where state gas tax is the highest in the nation, to $2.93 in Mississippi, which has one of the lowest tax rates on fuel.

“For every Mississippi, you have a California to balance it out,” says Andrew Gross, a spokesperson for AAA.

"The late-season wild card is always hurricanes"
A year ago, excessive heat forced Texas refineries to curtail operations, and Hurricane Idalia temporarily shut down oil production in the Gulf of Mexico, which contributed to higher prices. Despite record-breaking heat waves across the country this summer, Texas and Louisiana, where the majority of U.S. refineries are located, haven’t been hit as hard.

“The late-season wild card is always hurricanes,” says Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy. “If a hurricane makes landfall in a refining area, it can really disrupt things.”

Forecasters have warned of a particularly active hurricane season this year, but things have been quieter than expected — so far. Hurricane Beryl did considerable damage in parts of the Caribbean and caused some disruptions to U.S. refinery operations, but things got back to normal pretty quickly.

Even so, energy analyst Stephen Schork, who is principal and co-founder of The Schork Group, cautions that we are entering peak hurricane season, which falls between mid-August and late October. In 2005, the double wallop of Hurricane Katrina at the end of August, followed by Hurricane Rita nearly a month later, “completely disrupted the market and sent prices extremely higher,” he says.


Despite the devastating effects of Katrina and Rita on oil supplies, those storms were seen as outliers. Typically, late-season storms have less impact on fuel prices, according to Tom Kloza, the global head of energy analysis for the Oil Price Information Service (OPIS). That’s because every year, around August, the industry transitions from a summer blend to a winter blend of gasoline. The winter blend, which evaporates at lower temperatures, is less expensive to produce. And that switch occurs just as the summer driving season is waning.

“The further we get into hurricane season without any major storms making landfall, the better for consumers,” De Haan says.

Global events, EVs and an aging U.S. population affect prices
But other factors are also influencing the current downward trend in gas prices.

Iran, which produces 3 million to 4 million barrels a day, continues to aid its Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthi allies arrayed against Israel amid the ongoing Gaza conflict, but so far that hasn’t affected Tehran’s oil production. “If Iran gets more heavily involved, that could be a problem. … But if things stay relatively contained there, it shouldn’t have much impact on gas prices,” the AAA’s Gross says.

Meanwhile, China’s demand for oil remains relatively low due to its flagging economy. OPEC+ is expected to curtail cuts in production starting in October. And the U.S. is pumping record amounts of petroleum.

“We’ve never produced more oil than we’re producing now,” Gross says. That record production comes as U.S. demand has tapered — from 9.8 million barrels of gasoline per day in recent years to barely 9 million per day now, Gross says.

Kloza points to several factors to explain the change: Remote work means fewer commuters. There are an estimated 3.3 million electric vehicles on U.S. roads, more than twice as many as in 2021. More EVs have helped keep demand for gasoline in check, although Kloza notes that the effect is relatively modest, with every million EVs sold reducing demand by about 22,000 barrels a day. And Kloza also notes the gradually aging U.S. population — older Americans, he says, “tend to drive a lot less.”


Barring unforeseen shocks, it all points to the likelihood of lower fuel prices for some time to come. GasBuddy’s De Haan says pump prices could crack the $3-a-gallon level before Thanksgiving and remain low into next year.

Whether gas prices are up or down, don't blame or thank the president
Of course, this comes as Americans prepare to vote in the general election. U.S. presidents have very little to do with gas prices, but that has rarely stopped them or their opponents from trying to score political points off the issue.
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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #496 on: August 27, 2024, 07:14:47 AM »

 There are an estimated 3.3 million electric vehicles on U.S. roads, more than twice as many as in 2021. More EVs have helped keep demand for gasoline in check, although Kloza notes that the effect is relatively modest, with every million EVs sold reducing demand by about 22,000 barrels a day.
So, if EVs grow to say 10 million, that would be another 150,000 BPD off the gasoline market.  That starts to be a dent.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #497 on: August 27, 2024, 07:26:39 AM »

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #498 on: August 27, 2024, 08:48:30 AM »
So, if EVs grow to say 10 million, that would be another 150,000 BPD off the gasoline market.  That starts to be a dent.
maybe by 2030
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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #499 on: August 27, 2024, 09:45:32 AM »
maybe by 2030
Current projections would say we'll hit 10M well before that. Over 1M were sold in 2023, so even with flat sales volume from 2024->2030 we'd basically be there. 

But despite all the doom and gloom about EV demand, if you look at 2024 Q1 and Q2 EV sales, both quarters were up YoY over 2023.

My guess would be we'll hit 10M EVs on the road in either 2027 or 2028. 

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #500 on: August 27, 2024, 09:48:46 AM »
The S&P bounce back has been nice. 

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #502 on: August 27, 2024, 10:20:26 AM »


The universe aligned so that I had sold a bunch of company stock a few weeks earlier and was able to buy that dip in a solid way.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #503 on: August 27, 2024, 10:39:06 AM »
Never was a great fan of Guiness until I went to the Guiness Warehouse in Dublin. Turns out it make a big difference where and how it is served.  Drank it all through Ireland and England.
Jeebis the place on the corner had it on Draught prolly will again,ya know March the 17th - sleep the 18th that sort of thing. Smooth going one of my top 10 you get a sweet, toasty, nutty,smoky aroma,with hints of caramel/chocolate. The hops are more resin like.

But really let's just enjoy the stuff
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