BTW this is long-winded and doesn't really address your point, Mike. So I'm going to post it, because there's some good stuff in it, but understand that it's disjointed...
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Yes, and it brings in the question of whether we do what's best today, or whether we're also trying to satisfy the long run. And if we're trying to satisfy the long run, how much weight do we place future generations in relation to satisfying our own today.
I've mentioned a book several times,
The Ministry for the Future, by Kim Stanley Robinson. He's a hard sci-fi writer probably most well known for his
Red Mars series, which is superb. This book is more of a near-future look at a world where climate change is increasingly spiraling out of control. No "spoilers", but essentially a governing body (within the UN IIRC?) called the Ministry for the Future is established which exists to advocate for the future 7 generations of the world. And as such, it obviously puts them at odds with short-term thinking institutions--which is what most governments, businesses, and people, are primarily concerned with. The book gets into some left-wing politics here or there, so if you're turned off by that, don't read it. But if you can stomach it and get through, it's a very interesting, very well-written, and believable book.
I bring it up because as I said previously, in the absence of a belief in a supreme being who will tell us what ethics we should follow, we're stuck figuring it out on our own.
For me, that's why I said an ethical system for humanity has to be consistent with two things:
- Works in accordance with human nature.
- Promotes a stable and prosperous society.
This means that it will need to encourage the good things in human nature, while discouraging the bad. But that we need to be thinking of the future of the society.
For example, I'm a proponent of free market capitalism. Is it perfect? No. Does it have warts? Yes. But overall it has been the driving force that has lifted the world out of subsistence-level poverty, created new technologies that have extended human lives, made us more healthy and nourished, given us endless ability to explore our interests rather than toiling on a farm from dawn 'til dusk, etc.
The reason it does all that? Because it harnesses the best of human greed and competition, a key aspect of human nature. Free market capitalism is an endless innovation engine where everyone is trying to get one up on everyone else. That sounds rapacious and horrific, but economic advance is driven by productivity--getting more out for equal or less put in. That productivity growth is exactly WHY we're not toiling in fields from dawn 'til dusk, and why we can feed 8B people on this planet. And if we want to take care of
future generations, we have to keep that engine going. Because just as our ancestors in 1850, 175 years ago, could not even conceive of the life that we have available today, we can't probably conceive of how much better things will be in 2200 if we keep innovating.
There are some, however, who look at life and say "you know what, it's good enough--we need to distribute it more fairly". And to an extent we do; one of the other parts of human nature is our empathy, our generosity, and our desire not to see others suffer. Free market capitalism doesn't have an answer for those who can't produce, other than "starve, or hope for charity". And as someone who benefits greatly from my productive ability, but with a son with severe autism who won't ever be able to produce, it puts this into stark relief.
So when I look at systems, socialism doesn't work because it neuters that greed and competition, and therefore neuters the engine of innovation. This has been proven basically everywhere it's been tried. The purest form of libertarianism (anarcho-capitalism) IMHO likewise doesn't work because it neglects the human desire not to watch those around us suffer terribly, and neglecting those who cannot flourish in such a society is inhumane. Thankfully [I think], pure anarcho-capitalism hasn't been tried in the modern world.
So when we get into systems of government, we're invariably trying to find the right balance between the two. The "get as much good as you can, and help those who can't do it as much as you can, but without either killing the golden goose or shunting innovation so much that we're leaving our grandkids a much poorer world than they could have" dividing line is unknown, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Healthcare can be a good example. I found the "
World Index of Healthcare Innovation", and the US had a score of 4th overall in developed nations. However, we're dragged down by cost and sustainability. But where we excel is the Science & Technology section. We're 1st there with a score of 75.14, and there's only one other nation over 50 (Denmark at 52.63). So we lead the pack by a VERY wide margin:
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The U.S. also ranked first in Science & Technology. Indeed, the margin between the U.S. and second-place Denmark was by far the highest recorded in any dimension of the Index, driving America’s overall ranking. The U.S. ranked first in the number of new drugs & medical devices gaining regulatory approval; first by a wide margin in Nobel prizes in chemistry or medicine per capita; and second in scientific impact as measured by citations. The U.S. also ranked fourth in R&D expenditures per capita. This leadership in scientific impact directly translates into treatments that are developed by nearby pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies, especially around hubs such as Boston and the San Francisco Bay Area.
For all the warts of our healthcare system (and there are many, which I'm not going to get into), we're the nation driving more of the health care advances that our kids and grandkids will thank us for in the future.
We don't have a fully free market health care system, and we don't have a fully universal system. The political push is to make our system more universal, but we can point out that the innovation engine is probably partially funded by our NON universal system where the profit motive is stronger. The question of finding that balance line is important. If the balance line of universal healthcare materially restricts the innovation engine, we're hurting our kids. If the balance line of free market healthcare is causing unnecessary suffering of the people living today, then we're hurting them today.