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Topic: How do you know what you think you know?

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MrNubbz

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2025, 04:02:11 PM »
This is, to me, a very interesting question.  For example, on "FACEBOOK" (I know) I have been assaulted (Do you know what I mean by assaulted?)
Ya know Moriarty they'd never do a remake,it would be forordained to fail.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2025, 04:03:57 PM »
I'm not some better-than-thou genius person or anything
That's just crazy talk
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2025, 04:15:47 PM »


OAM, let me preface that I'm saying this with all due respect, because I actually think you're a pretty intelligent guy...

But you might be the poster child for spouting off things that you "know" that just ain't so.

Perhaps, a little more humility about your knowledge on topics that AREN'T within your area of expertise would go a long way on this board.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2025, 11:20:57 PM »
OAM, let me preface that I'm saying this with all due respect, because I actually think you're a pretty intelligent guy...

But you might be the poster child for spouting off things that you "know" that just ain't so.

I.e. I would sincerely seek your input on things like the educational system since you live and work in it daily, and on things related to college football history as you've immersed yourself in it. But at the same time your thoughts on things like technology or what companies should do, etc, is just so far off base that it's not even funny.

Case in point--to avoid politics--our previous discussions about EVs and battery swaps. You behaved in a tremendously confident manner that battery swaps were what the industry absolutely needed and they were the future. You were dismissive of every engineering-based objection to your opinion.

And when finally cornered, you retreated to "well when battery technology progresses enough that batteries are small enough to be easily swapped, it'll work." Which is also questionable, because by the time that happens--if ever, as it's probably decades away in the best case--the fast charging infrastructure and ability for people to charge where they reside will likely be so ubiquitous that battery swaps won't be necessary.

Perhaps, a little more humility about your knowledge on topics that AREN'T within your area of expertise would go a long way on this board.
But I don't see it as a humility issue at all. 
How can I be convinced if I'm not convinced? 

Here's the thing, say about the EV discussion....I may absolutely be wrong.  No big deal.  It doesn't matter if I'm right or not, my opinion is what it is.  I happen to deem my idea more likely than what you or others think. Time will tell, and it's fun to watch it play out.

We rarely if ever CHOOSE to be convinced of something, we just believe what we believe.  I find it odd to criticize someone not being convinced of something.  I agree that in its infancy, charging stations are the thing.  And over time, they'll be more plentiful and charge quicker.  I just don't deem it the best/most likely long-term outcome.  I don't know WHY I feel battery exchanges will be the way, ultimately, but I do.  It's not an ego thing or a lack of humility thing, I'm simply not convinced by the opposing opinion.

So I'm not sure what to say about it.  It's like criticizing someone for their favorite color being purple.  I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2025, 11:25:02 PM »
That's just crazy talk
Needed to clarify for some posters here.
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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2025, 11:25:55 PM »
Oh Boy,we're going to put him and Mdot together on a slow boat to china - tickets now on sale. Or in the booth with me next fall calling CFB - I can only envy our inevitable success in the matter
mdot tends to froth at the mouth.  I just get frustrated by inefficiencies.  And invisible deities who never seem to heal amputees.
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« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2025, 05:21:52 AM »
mdot tends to froth at the mouth.  I just get frustrated by inefficiencies.  And invisible deities who never seem to heel amputees.
What's an amputee going to do with a heel, if he doesn't have a leg to attach it to?

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2025, 07:05:21 AM »
Thanks for focusing on the important part.  Avoiding the point.  Good for you.  I fixed it before reading your post.  
Sigh.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2025, 07:33:24 AM »
We rarely if ever CHOOSE to be convinced of something, we just believe what we believe.  I find it odd to criticize someone not being convinced of something. 
I believe what I believe based on what I understand relating to facts, perspectives, insights, data, etc.  If I assert a thing, and someone points out an issue with it, I either try and confront the issue, or if I can't, change my mind (if it's important).  One good thing about this place is "we" discuss various topics, and at times I will think a thing has utility, and someone will point out something I hadn't considered (see discussion on EVs using two cables).

I don't just say "Well, I believe what I believe and that's that.".


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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2025, 08:00:56 AM »

If I ever wanted to know Fro's opinion, I'd simply look it up myself on the CNN website, where it might actually have a puncher's chance of being written out in a concise and legible manner. 


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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2025, 08:14:55 AM »
Most of "us", I think, will alter our opinion (perspective) if given useful and correct counterinformation.  This comes often from discussion and debate.

I'd hope few of us "believe what we believe" and that's it, no matter what issues are raised with what we have asserted.  But, it is easier to just believe something no matter what, without thinking through any counterfactual issues with the belief.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2025, 09:53:27 AM »
But I don't see it as a humility issue at all. 
How can I be convinced if I'm not convinced? 

Here's the thing, say about the EV discussion....I may absolutely be wrong.  No big deal.  It doesn't matter if I'm right or not, my opinion is what it is.  I happen to deem my idea more likely than what you or others think. Time will tell, and it's fun to watch it play out.

We rarely if ever CHOOSE to be convinced of something, we just believe what we believe.  I find it odd to criticize someone not being convinced of something.  I agree that in its infancy, charging stations are the thing.  And over time, they'll be more plentiful and charge quicker.  I just don't deem it the best/most likely long-term outcome.  I don't know WHY I feel battery exchanges will be the way, ultimately, but I do.  It's not an ego thing or a lack of humility thing, I'm simply not convinced by the opposing opinion.

So I'm not sure what to say about it.  It's like criticizing someone for their favorite color being purple.  I don't know what to tell you.
But think of the title of this thread. "How do you know what you think you know?" In essence this is a philosophical thread about epistemology. How much should you trust that the things you know, and the things you believe, are either true (in the case of knowledge) or correct/likely (in the case of belief)?

And you responded with a list of things you think you know/believe. You really didn't engage with the topic, which is how you came to those pearls of knowledge/belief and how you know whether you should actually stand behind them. 

Which makes your final admission a perfect example of why I singled you out for criticism in this particular thread:

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I don't know WHY I feel battery exchanges will be the way, ultimately, but I do.

I guess trying to explain using logic and evidence that a position you've taken is pointless. Because as the old saw states, "You can't reason a man out of a position that he hasn't reasoned himself into."

You believe things without using logic or evidence, and refuse to even entertain the idea that your belief is in error, even when confronted by sound arguments the opposite direction. Isn't that the exact same thing you criticize in the religious? 


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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2025, 10:25:09 AM »
We rarely if ever CHOOSE to be convinced of something, we just believe what we believe. 

With that, you've undercut your right to criticize others' opinions with which you disagree, along with any hope for efficacy when you do.  According to this, there's nothing we can do about our opinions, and it's pointless to denounce them.  

I look forward to the kinder, more genteel, less confrontational OAM.  It's a new era.  

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2025, 10:36:25 AM »
If none of us have ever changed our minds about a belief, well, that would be very very sad indeed.

 

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