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Topic: How do you know what you think you know?

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MikeDeTiger

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How do you know what you think you know?
« on: March 03, 2025, 11:10:10 AM »
Today's world is crazy.  Connectivity is everywhere and we hear more stuff from more sources than probably any time in history.  The signal to noise ratio is dizzying.  We all know not every opinion is a sound one, or even every claimed fact is a real one.  But how can we tell? 

We can get info from news networks or articles, but how do we know they're telling the truth?  What justifies skepticism and what is tin-foil-hat-wearing lunacy? 

Obviously I, like many others, believe I've latched on to an ecosystem of reliable information.  Still, other intelligent people see things differently.  Some of that will always be there due to varying values and worldview underpinnings.  But at the least we can try to operate from the same set of facts.  

I'm in the process of writing out and articulating a basic guideline for epistemological principles.  Trying to force myself to account for why I think the things I trust are in fact trustworthy, and why the things I think are bunk are not worth believing. 

But I'm interested in your ideas on this as well.  If you've never thought about it, think about it.  And get back to me and post your thoughts here.  I won't argue with or bash anything offered here, even if I don't agree with it.  I'm looking for the things which have not occurred to me that make sense and need to be added/incorporated/considered. 

I expect I can learn something I haven't learned before, a buncha y'all are smart folks.  Well, everybody who's not an Aggie or Ole Miss fan, at least.  

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2025, 11:20:17 AM »
Everything I know, I learn on college football message boards.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2025, 11:21:08 AM »
I figure if a variety of web sites report a thing, it's probably true, but the details may differ.  I figure things like stock market prices are accurate.

I figure the 20 someodd "natural laws" are true, F = ma etc.  They work, we don't know why.  Major theories are probably largely true, maybe they get nuanced at times.

Social media "advice" obviously is ... erratic.  And often amusing.  

I try and get "news" from a pretty wide variety of sources, and notice pretty large differences in how a thing is reported, the "facts" may be the same while the innuendo is quite different.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2025, 11:22:46 AM »
This helps.

AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.
AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2025, 11:25:49 AM »
Everything I know, I learn on college football message boards.
Amen!
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2025, 11:27:26 AM »
I'm daman skeptical of everything.
even college football message board posts
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2025, 11:37:13 AM »
Everything I know, I learn on college football message boards.
 

Bull hockey. 

If you were capable of learning from a college football message board, you would know by now chili can have beans.  

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2025, 11:41:05 AM »
This helps.

AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.
AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.

I keep seeing ads for Ground News.  Is that similar?  

I think classifying things into Left, Center, and Right, is interesting, but I don't know how it specifically applies to knowing if something is true.  I guess it's the idea that you can see what points are included and excluded from each article and then have a more well-rounded view of how different outlets are reporting it?  

That seems useful, probably.  

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2025, 11:41:16 AM »

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2025, 11:48:05 AM »

I think classifying things into Left, Center, and Right, is interesting, but I don't know how it specifically applies to knowing if something is true. 
It doesn't.  

I chuckle when I see folks post how the NYT and WashPo and MSNBC have gone conservative, or how Fox News sold out to the liberals.  Many folks simply seek the news the like, not what is accurate.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2025, 11:52:35 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2025, 12:07:20 PM »
I'll add a little bit here, and it's one of those things that I believe I've acquired as I get older. 

There is no shame in the words "I don't know." There is no shame in the words "I have no opinion on that."

IMHO one of the bigger problems is that we think we know things we don't/can't know, or have opinions on things we don't/can't have enough information to form an informed opinion. 

The problem with claiming to know things you don't truly know, or having opinions on things that you shouldn't, is that it can create a mental lock-in based upon what you think you know. That lock-in becomes part of the structure of our identity, and [as I've talked about elsewhere] many of our opinions/knowledge are actually just manifestations of our identity. 

I want the scaffolding of my identity to be based as much as possible on things that I've had the time to study so I can claim I actually do "know" things about them, and/or to develop reasonably informed and logical opinions about. Anything beyond that I'd like to keep at arm's length so I don't infect my identity with bullshit. 

What that often means is that I view a lot of the world with either skepticism or apathy. 


  • Skepticism: The assumption that everything I see, read, am told, etc, is guilty until proven innocent. This is especially true of anything that conforms to my worldview, because of the power of confirmation bias. If I actually want to decide whether I "know" something, I should be looking for all the possible flaws in the knowledge/argument, be looking for the counterarguments from multiple sources, etc. I try to accept as little as possible at face value. Where possible, I try to go to original source material rather than what people [incl. press] tell me the source material says/means. 
  • Apathy: There are times when a certain topic has had two sides so completely stake out positions that I don't believe I can accurately filter through the information necessary to "know" or have an opinion. Where I can't trust the information coming from either side, and don't have the ability to view primary source material or evaluate evidence directly. To avoid directly talking about current politics (as I no longer do that), I'll use the George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin example. It was a massively politicized event, where only two people actually knew what happened, and one of them was dead. Yet EVERYONE thought they needed to dig into it and argue about it and have an opinion. For me, I realized that it had truly very little impact on my life, so I actively just didn't have an opinion. Don't try to argue it with me; I just don't care


So this is a bit of a sideways to your actual question [which I intend to write more about], but I wanted to throw this out in the world and hope that maybe more people start picking it up. You don't *HAVE* to know, or have an opinion on, everything. In fact, the world would be a better place IMHO of more of us had the humility to simply say "I don't know."

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2025, 12:15:36 PM »
as all y'all know.........

I don't pretend to know very much
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2025, 04:52:02 PM »
One thing that has struck me as I get older is that when considering other's viewpoints, you can both be right, and both be wrong.  Sometimes there is no real right answer, until you look at things from a distance or at a different time.  For instance, I'm sure we've all had viewpoints that have changed as we've aged or gained different life experiences.  


 

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