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Topic: How do you know what you think you know?

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #238 on: April 02, 2025, 10:34:27 AM »
Well, that's where we get lobbyists, I suppose.  At least one type of them.  People who know more about something than anyone in Congress hire other people to go convince Congress to do what they think ought to be done. 

Which, really, is just the beginning stages of central planning.  I guess the thing to do is for Congress to let the smart guys duke it out in a free market and not for the smart guys to try to make rules based on their expertise.
Well, wouldn't you have lobbying on both sides of any given issue then?  I mean I know we all piss and moan about lobbyists but a lot of things get built and done for the better because of lobbyists.  

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« Reply #239 on: April 02, 2025, 11:19:19 AM »
Well, wouldn't you have lobbying on both sides of any given issue then?  I mean I know we all piss and moan about lobbyists but a lot of things get built and done for the better because of lobbyists. 
The issue is that lobbyists are, well, lobbying for whoever is paying them. So by their very nature, they may not be lobbying for "sound policy that benefits all Americans", they're lobbying for "policy that benefits whoever is paying me, whether that's 'sound' policy or not". 

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #240 on: July 17, 2025, 07:12:20 AM »
This is a rather interesting question for me.  I of course see a lot of, um, stuff, on Facebook etc.  I'm fascinated by how folks can be SURE of a thing with scant evidence, or even no evidence, "It's OBVIOUS!!!".

I know social media gives folks a platform so they can spout their notions about flat earths and no moon landing and whatever else.  Such beliefs normally don't harm a person, but they can if, for example, they drift into investing ideas.  Maybe someone is convinced the dollar is about to crash and spends all their money on precious metals, back in 2008 (when that really wasn't the craziest of notions).  Until the past year PMs have badly underperformed.

I think part of it is believing in a thing like "Epstein was a secret agent" serves to make one feel he's "in the know" versus the rest of us clowns.  Now, maybe Epstein was, but the evidence for and against is about the same, what someone said.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #241 on: July 17, 2025, 10:00:48 AM »
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is a very misguided, logically fallacious principle.  Extraordinary claims require the same, reasonable, evidence that any other claim requires.  The idea that something rare or hardly believable to an individual's mind means that individual deserves evidence of a truth beyond what is normally required to support a fact, is silly.  

"The earth is flat."  

That doesn't require extraordinary evidence.  It just requires the usual, reasonable, amount of evidence.  There just happens to not be any.  

"The Pope flipped the bird and cursed a guy out on live TV."  

That'd certainly be rare, and I'd personally find it very hard to believe.  But I'm not due any evidence that is "extraordinary," above and beyond some other claim I'm more inclined to believe.  Any amount of normal, reasonable evidence ought to convince me.  

But, people keep quoting that tired line, and I suspect will keep believing it.

People are crap at philosophy.  

The Epstein thing....like anything else, there is an agreed-upon set of facts about his life, and differing theories seek to best explain those facts.  And which theory one thinks fits the best can and does vary, usually by how much weight a person assigns to different pieces of the puzzle, and then their view on how likely/unlikely a given theory is for that piece of said puzzle.  We'd all like to think life operates statistically on the frequentist paradigm, but in reality we're all doing Bayesian computations subconsciously, all the time.  It's not wrong because it's the best we have, it's just going to inevitably lead to differing opinions.  The best we can do is be honest in our Bayesian analysis.  

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about Epstein, partially because I'm aware I haven't followed everything closely enough to know all the pieces of the puzzle that are out there, and partially because what I have followed, I'm personally at a coin-flip vantage point.  He killed himself, he didn't kill himself.....he was some kind of intelligence operative, he wasn't.....all I can honestly say is that I've heard decent cases for how the facts of his life plausibly fit either theory, and also criticisms of each side's case which also seem plausible.  I'm not claiming the truth is unknowable or criticizing anybody who believes one way or the other.  I'm just saying I don't know what to make of it.  

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #242 on: July 17, 2025, 10:06:54 AM »

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about Epstein,

 I'm just saying I don't know what to make of it. 

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #243 on: July 17, 2025, 10:13:52 AM »
The issue is that lobbyists are, well, lobbying for whoever is paying them. So by their very nature, they may not be lobbying for "sound policy that benefits all Americans", they're lobbying for "policy that benefits whoever is paying me, whether that's 'sound' policy or not".
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #244 on: July 17, 2025, 10:19:41 AM »
"The Pope flipped the bird and cursed a guy out on live TV." 
Love to see it especially driving right down the center of a political convention. With Dems on the left side & Reps on the right and standing in the Pope Mobile both arms fully extended in each direction 😎
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