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Topic: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise

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Cincydawg

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #364 on: August 13, 2017, 08:10:27 AM »
Pitt hasn't been in the AP Top 5 in almost 40 years.

Florida

Wisconsin

Pitt

I recall they beat Georgia rather decisively in the Sugar Bowl in 1976 with some running back who was pretty good.  I presume they were in the top five then.  They beat Georgia in the last seconds in 1981 as I recall, probably the Dawg's best team.  They had the won and Marino threw a fourth down pass into blown coverage on fourth and forever.  But Pitt was in position to win and had a great team.

That of course is nearly 40 years ago, hard as it is to believe.

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #365 on: August 13, 2017, 09:29:30 AM »
Pitt was never a national brand, and once the jobs and people left Pittsburgh in the early 80s and you could no longer field a great team on WPIAL talent alone, they were done.

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #366 on: August 13, 2017, 11:26:58 AM »
Before looking it up, I thought Pitt was better historically than it actually was.  Hmmmph. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #367 on: August 13, 2017, 01:56:02 PM »
Before looking it up, I thought Pitt was better historically than it actually was.  Hmmmph. 
Aren't they one of the big time violaters in claimed national championships?  Or did I make that up

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #368 on: August 13, 2017, 05:14:46 PM »
Put me down for a Florida Wisconsin Pitt as well.
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #369 on: August 13, 2017, 09:55:23 PM »
Florida
 Wisconsin
Pitt

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #370 on: August 14, 2017, 07:38:30 AM »
Florida
Wisconsin
Pitt
A decade of Victory over Penn State.

All in since 1969

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #371 on: August 14, 2017, 10:10:03 AM »
I am pondering, without any conclusion, how much the recent woes of ND, Texas, and USC - and perhaps Michigan and Penn State and Nebraska - have diluted their helmetosity.


Would our view of FSU and Miami be/have been different in 2000?


USC is still a helmet kind of team even if they have been "quiet" until last season, out of sight out of mind.


Notre Dame was 4-8 last year.  It's back to the debate about how much and how fast a team can move up or down.


i'll go on record again as saying helmet status can be attained (and lost) relatively quickly. but once attained and sustained for a long period of time, it likewise takes a long time to lose.

basically, there is reciprocity in how long you've had helmet status with how fast you can lose it. but it's faster down hill. so, say 1 to .5 ratio. 10 years to gain, 5 to lose it. 1 year gain, half to lose it. 50 years gained, 25 to lose it.

helmet status defined as ability to get benefit of the doubt in rankings.

examples of each:

quick risers and fallers (1-10 years gained, will dissipate just as quickly): oregon, boise
middle road (10-30 years gained, likewise couple decades to lose): fsu, miami
long time (30+ years gained, long time to lose): nd, neb

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #372 on: August 14, 2017, 10:17:37 AM »
Next trio:

Florida, Pitt, Wisconsin
Florida
Wisconsin
Pitt


The Panther's hardware advantage over the Badgers made me think about putting them ahead but it has just been too long.  I also tend to dock teams that aren't a clear #1 in their own state and, as ELA points out, it isn't even clear that Pitt is #1 in their own city let alone state. 

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #373 on: August 14, 2017, 10:20:51 AM »
Aren't they one of the big time violaters in claimed national championships?  Or did I make that up

they claim 9. 2 are ap/coach (also unanimous). 4 are chosen only by 1 poll, parke davis. other 3 only by other minor polls/systems. they also have 3 other awarded titles they don't claim.

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #374 on: August 14, 2017, 10:21:32 AM »
uf
wisky
pitt

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #375 on: August 14, 2017, 01:10:27 PM »
Florida
Wisconsin



pitt

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #376 on: August 14, 2017, 01:46:41 PM »
they claim 9. 2 are ap/coach (also unanimous). 4 are chosen only by 1 poll, parke davis. other 3 only by other minor polls/systems. they also have 3 other awarded titles they don't claim.

They claim 8 before 1940, and the 76 team is legitimate with Dorsett, who is remarkably under rated when you talk about the best RB's ever in CFB.  Pitt had 3 starting QB's that season and won the MNC - think about that.  How good did he have to be to overcome that?

In Pitt's defense, The teams from the early 70's thru the early 80's were outstanding and the program was as strong as any in the country.  They were #1 a few times in that span, and the 1980 team with Hugh Greene, Marino and the OL was stupid good.  That team lost a freaky game early in the season to Florida State (before it was FLORIDA STATE, and actually Bowden always said this was the win that put FSU on the map) and they mauled everyone the rest of the year.  Instead of getting the obvious choice to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia, since they were #2 in the nation, The Sugar selected a pedestrian ND team.  Pitt went to the Gator Bowl and finshed #2.  Had Pitt won the MNC that season, they'd arguably be talked about as one of the best teams of all time, I believe that. 

The 1981 team was subsequently very good as well, but they got pounded by Penn St 48-14 in the last game of the year as #1.  Frankly, the program never rebounded after that loss.  They hit rock bottom in the late 90's and basically are what they are now for the past 15 years - put together a nice season here and there, make a run at the Top 15 and division crown every so often, but mostly their a 7-5/8-4 program. 

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #377 on: August 14, 2017, 02:07:44 PM »
yes, from 1974-1982 (9 year span) Pitt was #3 in winning percentage


impressive run


Florida could probably boast a run that good, Wisconsin, maybe not
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