Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)

[Big Beef Tacosupreme]

Unfortunately I am probably going to vote for Trump. Joe Biden is one of the biggest corporate shill puppets in the history of this country and is a completely useless morally bankrupt turd that is corrupt as they come. Both of his sons and his brother have made stupid money off of him. Oh yeah, not to mention he is clearly suffering from early on set dementia.

I cannot in good conscience vote for MBNA Joe.

Maybe I was wrong about your passion for the Citizen's United decision.  lol

[847badgerfan]

I vote for who think will make the best decisions - or, more lately, not the worst decisions.

I'm pretty much about as dead-center as you can possibly get.

More: I support a woman's right to choose under the right circumstances, although I would prefer they all put their children into the adoption process, since I'm one of those adopted people. I love my guns. Don't dare try and take them. I do give away a lot of money. I don't go to church. I do not like Bill Gates. I like German things, like cars. I hate China.

Weird guy, huh? Good luck finding a box to put me in.

[Big Beef Tacosupreme]

And also- to suggest there was massive Russian interference in the election and that's why Hillary Clinton- one of the most corrupt, most disliked people in the history of politics- lost the election is laughable. I'm sorry but you will get nowhere and fast with me on that. Russigate was nothing but propaganda and bullshit. Years of investigations and the facts have borne this out.

Um, yes there was.  That's not political, that's a fact.

[Cincydawg]

I think the Russians wanted to sew doubt on any outcome and thus weaken the incumbent President.  I'm not sure Trump has been any more in their corner than Hillary would have been with her reset button.

The campaigns spent billions, the Russians maybe 85 million, the examples I saw of their meddling was amateurish in comparison, often not even clearly partisan, just weirdness.

[Big Beef Tacosupreme]

I think the Russians wanted to sew doubt on any outcome and thus weaken the incumbent President.  I'm not sure Trump has been any more in their corner than Hillary would have been with her reset button.

The campaigns spent billions, the Russians maybe 85 million, the examples I saw of their meddling was amateurish in comparison, often not even clearly partisan, just weirdness.

They had an awesome bot net set up to influence social media.  It was pretty damn genius, and it worked.  Read the link I posted.

[Cincydawg]

The two political parties should hire them.

They seem better able to influence voters than the pros here.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Maybe I was wrong about your passion for the Citizen's United decision.  lol

Poll... How many of us have actually read the Citizen's United decision cover to cover?

(Just me?)

[Big Beef Tacosupreme]

I vote for who think will make the best decisions - or, more lately, not the worst decisions.

I'm pretty much about as dead-center as you can possibly get.

More: I support a woman's right to choose under the right circumstances, although I would prefer they all put their children into the adoption process, since I'm one of those adopted people. I love my guns. Don't dare try and take them. I do give away a lot of money. I don't go to church. I do not like Bill Gates. I like German things, like cars. I hate China.

Weird guy, huh? Good luck finding a box to put me in.

This is basically me, except I don't really care for BG one way or the other.  He's done great things, he's done bad things.

And even though I love German cars, after driving in Philly traffic for years I can no longer buy them.  Why is it that every jerk on the road was in a German car?  I wasn't even aware they made those things with turn signals until just recently.

Nationally I am a centrist, but I vote democrat these days.  I think the republicans fell off the deep end after Obama was elected.  So many conspiracy theories and so much anger. 

I'll leave the door open to vote republican again for sure.

We need politicians that evaluate issues on their merits and vote in the best interest of their constituents, not based on their party platform or campaign donations. 

[Cincydawg]

I read some synopses of the dissent and opinion, not both of course.  It was about a movie.

It's worth noting the term "corporations", which sounds evil, includes labor unions (which often sound evil to some).

[Cincydawg]

Does anyone here think we have found two of the best candidates for President, or anywhere close to it, in the country?

I realize Trump supporters tend to be ardent about Trump, so they would say yes to that half.

I realize I'm not supposed to be political.

When asked by someone, I tell them I am an extreme moderate.  They usually leave me alone after that.

I have given up on our political system, totally.  It's broken and I see no fix.

[utee94]

I like some German things too, but it's mainly their beers.

[Big Beef Tacosupreme]

The two political parties should hire them.

They seem better able to influence voters than the pros here.

Both parties used social media, but the Russians took it to a whole new level.  I suppose the 70+ years of experience they have in propaganda paid off.

[Mdot21]

Um, yes there was.  That's not political, that's a fact.

Um, no there wasn't. If that's what people think is interfering with elections well, they are on crack cocaine. They generated memes on social media! OH NO. Give me a break. This is so absolutely pathetic it doesn't even rise to the level of bullshit. Like I said, get back to me when you can show they actually rig a US election- like the US actually did in Russia in the 90's to get Yeltsin elected. Like the US has done all over the world and worse for the past 60+ years.

How come the DNC never let the FBI look at it's servers or computers. KINDA WEIRD NO, IF YOU'RE CLAIMING YOU WERE HACKED. And how the F#!K can the DNC even make that decision? HOW? FBI should've had the right to seize the servers if they were in fact hacked.

The 13 indictments that Mueller's investigation made were people that will never in a million years see the inside of a US courtroom and were also people that don't work for the Russian government. So. There's that too.

It was all a dog and pony show, and none of it passes the level of the sniff test.

[Mdot21]

Maybe I was wrong about your passion for the Citizen's United decision.  lol

No. You're not wrong. It was an incredibly stupid decision by the supreme court to equate money with free speech- only to see an already corrupt system explode into the stratosphere of corruption.

Joe Biden has a 50+ year history of being a corrupt morally bankrupt useful idiot for his corporate masters. Forget his one son making $83,000 A MONTH as a consultant for a Ukranian gas company for a moment. Both of his sons and his brother have literally made millions of dollars off of his name/political career. And he's an absolute pushover on China. The guy has been a puppet of China for the last 30 years. Throw in the fact that he's got early on set dementia and holeeeeee shit. How anyone could even think of voting for him is beyond me.

This election to me hinges on the economy, free trade- not the investor rights agreements we have now- but actual free trade- and China- all things that Trump is far superior than senile old MBNA Joe on.