Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)

[OrangeAfroMan]

100% of the lakes contained entirely within Ohio are man made.

The quality of life would certainly take a pretty big hit if they got rid of all the dams.

This is exactly my point. 
People wouldn't live where there wasn't water.  So we want to spread out and we make the water sit where we want it.  It's precisely what I've been saying.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Wait, all rivers don't look like this?

[847badgerfan]

This is exactly my point.
People wouldn't live where there wasn't water.  So we want to spread out and we make the water sit where we want it.  It's precisely what I've been saying.

?? 

Precisely where?

[FearlessF]

Wait, all rivers don't look like this?

Greased Lightning!

[CWSooner]

I don't recall saying people were better and smarter back then.  But they paid attention to nature, because they had to.  Nowadays, we think we can dictate everything, so we build anywhere we want and include infrastructure that works 99% of the time, but we bail out that 1%. 
Back when people were at the mercy of nature far more than 1% of the time, they acted as such.
That's all.  No cartoons necessary.

You related to George Tirebiter?

[CWSooner]

100% of the lakes contained entirely within Ohio are man made.

The quality of life would certainly take a pretty big hit if they got rid of all the dams.

Oklahoma's the same way.  We claim more miles of shoreline than any other state or something of the sort.  Whatever we claim, it's all shoreline on man-made lakes.

[Cincydawg]

It certainly is not true in the US that anyone can build anywhere they might want to, and hasn't been for a long time.

Where I live, no new building can be over 4 stories.  Our building is because it got in before that zoning ordinance existed.

That's nice for us as we're on the top floors.

[Brutus Buckeye]

Yeah, you can't build on BLM land, Indian reservations, National Parks/Monuments, etc. Which is like 90% of the Mountain Time Zone. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

Now you're just trolling.

[847badgerfan]

Oklahoma's the same way.  We claim more miles of shoreline than any other state or something of the sort.  Whatever we claim, it's all shoreline on man-made lakes.

Michigan and Wisconsin have a lot of shoreline. I don't know about the number Michigan's inland lakes, but they have 3000 miles of Great Lakes shoreline. Wisconsin has 800 miles (2nd of all states) and over 14,000 inland lakes. I'd like to know how much shoreline OK claims.

[MrNubbz]

 I'd like to know how much shoreline OK claims.

Enough to have noodling contests and cook offs

[rolltidefan]

i'd guess alaska has the most, by a long shot. not only do they dwarf others in coastal shoreline, but they have more lakes than the rest of the us combined. estimated 3 million lakes of 20 arces and larger.

[847badgerfan]

We're talking about fresh water shoreline (lakes).

I did not know Alaska had that many inland lakes.

[CWSooner]

Michigan and Wisconsin have a lot of shoreline. I don't know about the number Michigan's inland lakes, but they have 3000 miles of Great Lakes shoreline. Wisconsin has 800 miles (2nd of all states) and over 14,000 inland lakes. I'd like to know how much shoreline OK claims.

Here's what a quick Google search revealed.
From the Daily Oklahoman's archives: Oklahoma has 11,611 miles of shoreline, more than the combined non-tidal coasts of the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico.
And this:

From 405 Magazine:

The Claim: Oklahoma has more shoreline than any other state.
Source: USA Fact File: usacitiesonline.com/usafactfile.htm
Fact Check: This may be the most frequently repeated myth about Oklahoma. Although the state is one of 20 that have no shoreline on either an ocean or one of the Great Lakes, the claim keeps circulating because of the lack of a single national database that totals all types of shoreline, and differences of opinion on what counts as shoreline and how it is measured.
According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the state with the most shoreline is Alaska, with 33,904 miles. Second place is Florida, with 8,436 miles of coastline. Third is Louisiana’s 7,721 miles.
The Oklahoma argument for claiming more shoreline than any other state is along these lines: Sure, we have no ocean or Great Lakes frontage, but we have a lot of lakeshore!
The Oklahoma Water Resources Board notes that Oklahoma has approximately 3,000 lakes and ponds 10 acres or more in size, including more than 200 man-made lakes. The OWRB lists 55,646 miles of shoreline along lakes and ponds. (Even within the state, there is disagreement on the numbers; the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation claims the state has 11,600 miles of shoreline.)
A major flaw in this argument is that it does not take into account that every other state also has interior lakes. Minnesota, for example, counts 11,842 lakes sized 10 acres or larger, compared to Oklahoma’s 3,000. And according to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, Alaska has 3 million lakes of 5 acres or more, many of them seasonal snowmelt.

And so forth . . . .