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Topic: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?

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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #98 on: October 01, 2019, 06:08:05 PM »
I certainly prefer the weather of much of CA to just about anywhere in the US.  Twentynine Palms is not one of those places.

I prefer the taxes and cost of living here though.

The wife wants to go to France for a MONTH in January and February.  Winters near Paris are pretty grim in my experience, overcast, cold, damp.

They had a 6" snow fall last time we did that.  it was pretty.



French winters are indeed pretty miserable, except I guess along the Côte d'Azur but even then it's not sunny and tropical or anything.

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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #99 on: October 01, 2019, 07:07:14 PM »
That said, Southern weather sucks.  Northern winters are much more tolerable than long, brutal, oppressive Southern summers.
Agreed to each their own.Many I know moved back for that reason,spent at least as much time indoors for the opposite reason.
Avg high temp of Tuscaloosa in August is 92,88 in Sept according to a NWS Temp Graph.Average high temp of Columbus in Aug is 84,Sept 78.That's a huge difference I can deal with mid 80s the 90s turn into a furnace.Today we set a record of 93 in NE Ohio for October.We were having 68-75 temps most of September.It honestly was the best start to an Autumn I can remember in quite some time.Great for the grape harvest around the Lake however.
The average temps hi/lo of Columbus Ohio in November 53/34.But it always seems wet-cold or both the last halfof the month.The average hi/lo temps of Tuscalosa in November is 67/42

I lived "up north" 38 years.  It's not that cold in general in November.
Maybe my view is skewed as the Canadian-Ontario winds blow across the lake into N.Ohio 3 yrs ago the 1st week of Nov. when Buffalo got buried in literally 5ft of snow  - we got 2.My Nephew,wife and kids live in ATL for 20 yrs on Peach Tree something or other he said summers are miserable.Context I guess,doesn't bother the kids so much.Anyway it's much easier IMO for a team to head north and play in 34-53 deg.weather than for one to head south and play in tmps from mid 85-92 and it could be a lot worse.Cleveland gets more snow and colder temps than Chicago on avg,Buffalo gets it worse than us.Winds usually sweep in from the west across the Great Lakes dropping more snow the further East you go
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #100 on: October 01, 2019, 10:02:18 PM »
I'm fine with scheduling that has ten P5 level teams a year, however you insert the pastries is up to you.

There is advantage in starting with pasties as a preseason, and advantage in having one before a main rival.

But limit it to two a year.
I think Utee's point about scheduling 8 conference games as opposed to 9 is a valid one.  Saying that it all evens out when teams play 10 P5 opponents is just not true.  Playing 9 conference games plus an OOC P5 opponent is not the same thing as scheduling 8 conference games and 2 OOC P5 opponents.

The extra conference game means an automatic extra loss for half of the teams in the B1G, the Big 12, and the Pac-12.  That affects poll results, bowl eligibility, and bowl selections (which the SEC also games by not committing to an established pecking order among the bowls).

Furthermore, SEC teams mostly do not play that hypothetical 10th P5 opponent.  In fact, Bama did not play a 10th P5 opponent last year.  It played 8 conference games, Louisville, Arkansas State, UL-L, and The Citadel.  I'm not bagging on Bama.  To his credit, Saban has publicly argued that the SEC should schedule 9 conference games.  But there's more: Ole Miss only played 9 last year, as did LSU, and Florida, and Kentucky, and Georgia, and South Carolina, and Missouri, and Vandy, and Mississippi State, and Texas A&M, and Auburn, and Tennessee.  That's 13 SEC teams, and none of them played that 10th P5 opponent.  The only other SEC team, Arkansas, didn't even play a 9th P5 opponent.

Compared to that, every team in the B1G, Big 12, and Pac-12 plays at least 9 P5 opponents, and at least half play a 10th one.

That's part of why the SEC so often has two teams competing for a CFP spot.  The other part, of course, is that Bama has been so damned good for the entirety of the CFP era.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #101 on: October 01, 2019, 11:14:58 PM »
Still complaining about SEC teams not breaking the rules......ffs
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« Reply #102 on: October 01, 2019, 11:17:48 PM »
Saban schedules cupcakes perenially before the Iron Bowl(I mean real Hostess specials),and never comes North after November.Prolly the best coach the last 25 yrs for sure but still doesn't play to the Any Team,Any Time Any Place that Jimmy Johnson embraced
Jimmy Johnson coached an independent - they had 11 games to fill, not just 3-4 OOC games.  You had to take games you'd prefer not to back then, in that situation.  Granted, there were a ton of independents, but still.  
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« Reply #103 on: October 01, 2019, 11:19:27 PM »
Georgia should be the best job in all of CFB.  A competent recruiter doesn't even have to leave the state and nab a top 5 recruiting class year after year (IMHO, GA is home to the best high school football talent in the land - even more so than TX, FL, and CA, and the gap will continue to widen). 
Literally all the evidence disagrees with this.  
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #104 on: October 02, 2019, 01:04:21 AM »
Still complaining about SEC teams not breaking the rules......ffs
Breaking the rules?  Nobody has said they are.

Gaming the system?  You bet.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #105 on: October 02, 2019, 07:33:20 AM »
If everyone scheduled ten P5 level opponents, it really does not matter if they play 8/2 or 9/1.

Programs like Indiana and Rutgers and Kansas would be in high demand.


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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #106 on: October 02, 2019, 08:42:06 AM »
Breaking the rules?  Nobody has said they are.

Gaming the system?  You bet.
You can apply whatever slanted phrasing you want, but you're still complaining that the SEC hasn't changed the scheduling rules/practices it has had in place.  You're complaining that they're not volunteering to make things harder on its members, in terms of winning as many games as possible - without any rule stating that they must.


It looks so petty. 



You're wanting an entity to depart from a status quo that is working out well for it, with there being no incentive to do so.  Huh?  Wha?  I guess I just don't understand bitching about an inaction...the SEC didn't actively go from 9 to 8 conference games.  If that had happened, it would make sense for you to complain.  But to carry on about an inaction is bizarre.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2019, 08:52:58 AM »
My point would be to have a rule nationally that every P5 team has to play ten P5 level teams a year, whether it is 8/2 or 9/1 becomes irrelevant.


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« Reply #108 on: October 02, 2019, 09:20:15 AM »
You can apply whatever slanted phrasing you want, but you're still complaining that the SEC hasn't changed the scheduling rules/practices it has had in place.  You're complaining that they're not volunteering to make things harder on its members, in terms of winning as many games as possible - without any rule stating that they must.


It looks so petty. 



You're wanting an entity to depart from a status quo that is working out well for it, with there being no incentive to do so.  Huh?  Wha?  I guess I just don't understand bitching about an inaction...the SEC didn't actively go from 9 to 8 conference games.  If that had happened, it would make sense for you to complain.  But to carry on about an inaction is bizarre.

Actually, most of us have pointed out the gamesmanship, but have stated that if the B12 and the B1G don't like it, there's nothing stopping them from adopting the same scheduling practices.

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« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2019, 09:27:22 AM »
My point would be to have a rule nationally that every P5 team has to play ten P5 level teams a year, whether it is 8/2 or 9/1 becomes irrelevant.


Again, this simply isn't true. And Fearless, C-Dubb, and I have explained it multiple times.

SEC teams could potentially go 14-0 in that 9th game because it is OOC.  That same result is mathematically impossible for B1G teams, by necessity they must go 7-7 in that 9th game because it is in-conference.  That's as simple and clear as I can make it.

14-0 is way better than 7-7.  Now, certainly, the SEC could also go 0-14 in that 9th game since it is OOC.  But I think we all know that isn't currently happening, because SEC teams aren't scheduling tough opponents in that slot, and it's not likely to change in the future.  As you yourself stated, if SEC teams were forced to schedule another P5 in that slot, then the phones of the ADs at Kansas, Indiana, Rutgers, Oregon State, and the entire ACC, would be ringing off the hook.

Comparing relative conference strength seems silly to me and usually results in incorrect analysis and conclusions, but the way the current post-season is set up, it remains important.  And the difference in that potential delta of 7 more losses within your own conference can make a large impact on the perception of relative conference strength.

And yes, of course, if the B1G and B12 don't like it, they can drop to 8 conference games and arrange the FCS Cupcake Weekend just as the SEC does.  It's entirely within their power to do so.

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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2019, 09:35:14 AM »
Yeah, and if you go 14-0 in the OOC game, good for you, it's data.

You also could go 0-14.  The odds are a conference would be either 8-6 or 6-8 with equal probability.

If you schedule a P5 team 8 years ahead of time, you have only a suggestion as to how good they might be.  If you scheduled Wake Forest this year, you might be surprised.

And there are not enough Kansas types to go around.  These would be two game series in the main.  If someone picks off Vandy as a pastry, you also lose revenue in the away game on the gate.

I don't think teams would be able to cherry pick pastries if limited to P5 level teams with much consistency, they would try no doubt, but they'd run out of teams available.  And if they schedule Kansas, great for them, the Big 12 teams get the same benefit.


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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #111 on: October 02, 2019, 09:47:22 AM »
Still complaining about SEC teams not breaking the rules......ffs
Still misinterpreting/bitching about others post in a BIG Forum.....ffs
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