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FearlessF

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« Reply #308 on: October 07, 2020, 04:16:42 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 07, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
Hell, if I could do that, I'd be collecting consulting fees from USC and UCLA.
and FSU and Miami and Arkansas and Texas and UNL and Michigan and ...........
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #309 on: October 07, 2020, 04:17:21 PM »
Yeah, some major programs historically not in a good place right now.
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« Reply #310 on: October 07, 2020, 04:19:22 PM »
heck, we could add 3/4ths of the SEC to that list
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« Reply #311 on: October 07, 2020, 04:27:38 PM »
Pffft, the entire earth knew Meyer would be good.  
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« Reply #312 on: October 07, 2020, 04:38:08 PM »
I wasn't so sure
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« Reply #313 on: October 07, 2020, 04:43:26 PM »
So what planet were you living on? :57:
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« Reply #314 on: October 07, 2020, 04:44:58 PM »
one of the 24 better planets than earth
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #315 on: October 07, 2020, 04:45:41 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 07, 2020, 02:46:10 PM
They were probably the best recruiting team in the MAC before Fleck got going.
That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like  there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
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« Reply #316 on: October 07, 2020, 05:26:20 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 07, 2020, 04:45:41 PM
That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like  there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
The recruiting had been there, just not the results.  Starting in 2006, in terms of MAC Composite Recruiting rankings, Toledo went #3, #2, #1, #2, #1, #1, #1, #1, #2, #4, #2, #1, #1, #1, #1.

The only time since 2007 the Rockets were lower than #2 was 2015, which was the year Campbell left for ISU, when they fell all the way to #4.
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« Reply #317 on: October 07, 2020, 06:23:53 PM »
Don't care about the rankings the standings more often than not bare this out sans injuries
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« Reply #318 on: October 07, 2020, 06:39:24 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 07, 2020, 04:45:41 PM
That's not accurate,the Rockets won the MAC in '01 & '04 then not again until '17.That's at least 5 yrs before Campell got there.But 2 yrs after he left his Jrs &Srs won the MAC in'17.So he did step it up recruiting,there is a lot to like  there IMO.Arguments could be made for BG,NI & CMU there though
This logic is circular. I'm saying he had enough talent to win the MAC, you're telling me he simply could not have because he didn't win it. 

Let's put it this way, you've explained he was guy playing a big role before he arrived. Well that drought had 12 seasons between titles. He was either a big part or leading seven of those teams. He had juniors and seniors he played a role in recruiting for 3-4 of his seasons. They were always just a little bit short.

I think he's a good coach. I think he could be a very good coach. But he had some teams that probably could've been winning tie-breakers for titles instead of losing them. He had one team that definitely should've. Is what it is. 
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #319 on: October 07, 2020, 06:46:20 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 07, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
Don't care about the rankings the standings more often than not bare this out sans injuries
So for 12 straight years the recruiting rankings were wrong?

Toledo consistently has consistently had the most talent in the MAC for 15 years now, save a one off here or there from NIU or WMU.
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« Reply #320 on: October 07, 2020, 06:59:14 PM »
Toledo has scalped more P5s than anyone. They have talent.
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« Reply #321 on: October 07, 2020, 07:01:13 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 07, 2020, 06:39:24 PM
This logic is circular. I'm saying he had enough talent to win the MAC, you're telling me he simply could not have because he didn't win it.

Let's put it this way, you've explained he was guy playing a big role before he arrived. Well that drought had 12 seasons between titles. He was either a big part or leading seven of those teams. He had juniors and seniors he played a role in recruiting for 3-4 of his seasons. They were always just a little bit short.

I think he's a good coach. I think he could be a very good coach. But he had some teams that probably could've been winning tie-breakers for titles instead of losing them. He had one team that definitely should've. Is what it is.
No look at the previous records before he arrived - I posted them.You are making the leap that Toledo did have talent the record doesn't bare that out.Again the Juniors and seniors Campell recruited won the Title though he wasn't there.There was a reason Beckman was shown the door @ Illinois and Campell has went on to defeat storied programs as a 2nd tier team.That is not a coincidence.Why don't you take the time to find out how many of those pre Campell Rockets went sundays.As opposed to the teams that actually won the conference that you insist didn't have as much talent :017:
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