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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #336 on: December 20, 2022, 08:02:46 AM »
aTm and Miami proved that an NIL all star team doesn't work. 

It will achieve equilibrium at some point or another. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #337 on: December 20, 2022, 08:06:51 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2022, 07:26:59 AM


The NCAA has had plenty of time to address this, and it didn't. It should have been ahead of the game, but now it's so far behind there is no possible chance for catch-up - or enforcement.
But now players are free to work with a marketing agent to help them find sponsorships and negotiate with companies that want to work/sponsor them.Hell the different type of platforms they can sell their likeness to/on is mind boggling like apps for instance.It's no longer recruiting it's leasing and hope the program finds talented lease holders
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #338 on: December 20, 2022, 09:13:01 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2022, 07:26:59 AM
It's a chicken/egg thing.

The NCAA has had plenty of time to address this, and it didn't. It should have been ahead of the game, but now it's so far behind there is no possible chance for catch-up - or enforcement.

It's time for the SEC and B1G to break away and get their arms around this cluster.

Anything the NCAA did, short of what we're seeing currently, would have been overruled by the states anyway.  I blame the NCAA for plenty, but not this.  They never had a chance, because it's fundamentally illegal to place ANY restrictions on college athletes, above and beyond what is allowed for non-athlete random schmoes.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #339 on: December 20, 2022, 09:22:48 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2022, 07:28:02 AM
105 is the active roster limit, but you can still "hide" players due to "injury" and whatnot.
not sure this applies the UNL, they have way more than 105 on the roster
only 105 on the practice field at the same time?
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #340 on: December 20, 2022, 09:39:37 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2022, 09:13:01 AM
Anything the NCAA did, short of what we're seeing currently, would have been overruled by the states anyway.  I blame the NCAA for plenty, but not this.  They never had a chance, because it's fundamentally illegal to place ANY restrictions on college athletes, above and beyond what is allowed for non-athlete random schmoes.
They could have done it. And there could have been systems in place so that school couldn't buy recruiting classes. Also, prohibit the mass-tampering that's going on now.

The horse is out of the barn. It's too late. Their inaction has led to chaos.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #341 on: December 20, 2022, 10:16:15 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2022, 09:39:37 AM
They could have done it. And there could have been systems in place so that school couldn't buy recruiting classes. Also, prohibit the mass-tampering that's going on now.

The horse is out of the barn. It's too late. Their inaction has led to chaos.
There is absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done, to prevent this.

Because ANY limitation that the NCAA attempts to impose with respect to NiL, is illegal. 

It really is that simple-- the NCAA has been illegally restricting players' rights for decades, and the states finally decided to drop the hammer.

The End.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #342 on: December 20, 2022, 10:18:48 AM »
Anyway, as I've said many times, we knew we'd see the Wild Wild West for a few years.

But eventually the players will figure out they're processing themselves right out of a scholarship ANYwhere, and the boosters will realize they're not getting anywhere near the ROI they expected, and things will stabilize.

We haven't even gone through 2 full cycle of this thing yet.  In time it'll even out.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #343 on: December 20, 2022, 10:34:24 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2022, 10:18:48 AM
Anyway, as I've said many times, we knew we'd see the Wild Wild West for a few years.

But eventually the players will figure out they're processing themselves right out of a scholarship ANYwhere, and the boosters will realize they're not getting anywhere near the ROI they expected, and things will stabilize.

We haven't even gone through 2 full cycle of this thing yet.  In time it'll even out.
yup! money can't buy championships. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #344 on: December 20, 2022, 11:16:09 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2022, 10:16:15 AM
There is absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done, to prevent this.

Because ANY limitation that the NCAA attempts to impose with respect to NiL, is illegal.

It really is that simple-- the NCAA has been illegally restricting players' rights for decades, and the states finally decided to drop the hammer.

The End.
agreed, but there's the possibility that the NCAA could have kicked the can down the road a few seasons if they had done something to appease athletes sooner
They decided to do nothing.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #345 on: December 20, 2022, 11:19:35 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 11:16:09 AM
agreed, but there's the possibility that the NCAA could have kicked the can down the road a few seasons if they had done something to appease athletes sooner
They decided to do nothing.
This is where I'm at. They had a chance to act, and they didn't. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #346 on: December 20, 2022, 11:31:57 AM »
You guys are hopeless.  Thinking the NCAA could do anything to stand in the way of the state legislatures, is silliness.

And a breakaway by the SEC and B1G won't change any of that.  They won't be able to restrict the rights of individual citizens any more than the NCAA could.  You know, because it is, and always has been, ILLEGAL.

Pure silliness.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #347 on: December 20, 2022, 11:47:35 AM »
yer hopeless

I agree, the NCAA can't stand in the way of judges and the courts or athlete's rights
I agree that this was coming sooner or later.  It was inevitable.

I also agree moving away from the NCAA won't change anything

my point was and is.......... the NCAA may have been able to put his off a few more seasons if they had made concessions to athlete's demands in the past, instead of doing nothing and forcing them to go straight to the courts.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #348 on: December 20, 2022, 12:45:39 PM »
Mat Ishbia buying the Suns.  If the richest MSU alums stopped buying NBA franchises, and just put it in to NIL, we could compete. That's three NBA owners now
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #349 on: December 20, 2022, 12:53:17 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 11:47:35 AM
yer hopeless

I agree, the NCAA can't stand in the way of judges and the courts or athlete's rights
I agree that this was coming sooner or later.  It was inevitable.

I also agree moving away from the NCAA won't change anything

my point was and is.......... the NCAA may have been able to put his off a few more seasons if they had made concessions to athlete's demands in the past, instead of doing nothing and forcing them to go straight to the courts.
This. In fact, they may have been able to put it off completely had they chose to act with a proposal that was sweet enough. 

Make the players sign contracts, join a union, and PRESTO!! NFL Lite!!
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