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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2024, 11:01:23 AM »
Is it your assertion that Michigan was so incompetent that their rampant cheating provided them no benefit?

We'll put you down for this category:
As to Michigan's rushing, they were a good rushing team in 2021 and Ohio State's defense was suspect to put it mildly so Michigan's rushing for 297 isn't shocking.  What WAS shocking was them holding Ohio State's National #1 Offense to just 458 yards and 27 points.  I'm sure you think that knowing the plays in advance due to rampant cheating had no impact there. 



Watch the 2021 game again.  Not so shocking.  Neither is the 2022 game where Edwards had 216 yards rushing.
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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2024, 11:02:33 AM »
Yeah.. Michigan only beat OSU last year because of Stallions. Keep grasping. 

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2024, 11:11:59 AM »


Yours is:
"Hey look, a squirrel". 
No.. mine is that many coaches have already acknowledged teams trying to steal opposing signs has been common for a long time.. ya know, the reason Oregon started using placards 12 years ago. Did he cross a line being on the sideline at CMU? probably.. but was his impact removed the remainder of 2023 after the story hit? Absolutely and if you can't admit that, your take isn't reasonable, which it hasn't been.

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2024, 11:30:07 AM »
Watch the 2021 game again.  Not so shocking.  Neither is the 2022 game where Edwards had 216 yards rushing.
I already said Michigan rushing for whatever it was in 2021 wasn't shocking.  Their holding tOSU's #1 offense was the shocking part and obviously knowing tOSU's plays due to rampant cheating was a part of that.  

As far as Edwards' "216 yards rushing" in 2022, he had 22 carries for 216 yards, an average of 9.8 per.  That is obviously impressive but Edwards' rushing wasn't nearly as effective as that makes it sound.  His last five carries starting from when Michigan took over leading 31-23 about half way through the 4th quarter were:
  • 75 yards, TD on 1st and 10 while up 8.   
  • 6 yards on 1st and 10 while up 15 with ~4 minutes to go.  
  • 1 yard on 2nd and 4 while up 15 with ~3.5 minutes to go.   
  • 85 yard TD on 3rd and 3 while up 15 with ~3.5 minutes to go.   
  • 2 yards on 1st and  10 while up 22 with ~1.5 minutes  to go.  
Prior to those five, he had:
  • 17 carries, 47 yards, an  average of 2.8 per.  


Don't misconstrue what I am saying here.  Those last five carries do and should count but they were the dagger at the end, not what actually decided the game.  According to the Worldwide Leader, Edwards' 75 yard TD improved their chances of winning from 92.4% to 98.8%.  Ie, it was the dagger but not really what decided the game.  

Michigan's last two TD's made it look prettier for them but what decided the game was Michigan's defense holding Ohio State's offense to just 20 points through 3.5 quarters of football.  

Again, certainly knowing the plays in advance impacted that.  

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2024, 11:35:45 AM »
Since there seems to be a  rampant outbreak of amnesia amongst the Michigan faithful. Let us bring up the timeline of the questionable conduct and misrepresentation there of. Notice that is from ESPN and Yahoo not from  Buckeye/Spartan Message Boards trying to COPE!

2023 Michigan timeline:
Jan. 19: Yahoo Sports and ESPN report that an attempt to expedite Michigan's NCAA infractions case fell apart because Harbaugh refused to acknowledge during multiple meetings with NCAA officials that he lied or misled investigators.

Jan. 20: Michigan fires co-offensive coordinator Matt Weiss after it says he failed to attend a meeting to discuss whether he gained unauthorized access to computer accounts assigned to other people in December 2022.

May 20: Glenn "Shemy" Schembechler, son of legendary Wolverines coach Bo Schembechler, resigns three days after he was hired as the football program's assistant director of football recruiting.

Oct. 18: The NCAA notifies the Big Ten and Michigan that it had received allegations the Wolverines were involved in a sign-stealing scheme and had allegedly sent representatives to games to scout future opponents, which has been prohibited by NCAA rules since 1994. The Big Ten said it had notified Michigan's future opponents of the allegations.

Oct. 19: ESPN reports that Connor Stalions, a Wolverines off-field analyst and retired captain in the U.S. Marine Corps, is at the center of the NCAA's investigation into alleged sign stealing. Sources told ESPN that NCAA enforcement staff sought access to Stalions' computer. Michigan announced the next day that it had suspended Stalions with pay pending the conclusion of the investigation.

Oct. 23: ESPN reports that Stalions purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games at 11 Big Ten schools over the past three seasons (A 12th school later added that Stalions had purchased tickets at its stadium as well). In many cases, Stallions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three people in different parts of the country. The scope of the alleged sign-stealing operation included video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail, sources told ESPN.

Oct. 26: University of Michigan deputy chief Melissa Overton confirms the FBI has joined the department's investigation into Weiss' alleged unauthorized access into others' computer accounts. Overton called the investigation "extensive, ongoing and ... of the utmost priority."

Oct. 27: A former Division III player and assistant coach tells ESPN's Dan Murphy that Stalions paid him "a couple hundred dollars" and provided him with a ticket to a Michigan home game to record future Wolverines opponents.

Oct. 31: Central Michigan announces that it is investigating photographs of a man who resembled Stalions standing on its sideline during the Sept. 1 opener at Michigan State.The man, dressed in Central Michigan gear and standing with several of the team's coaches, was wearing a bench credential. Photos obtained by ESPN showed a man wearing sunglasses -- during a night game -- and holding a possible play sheet. "We obviously are aware of a picture floating around with the sign-stealer guy," Chippewas coach Jim McElwain said.

Nov. 3: Stallions resigns from his position at Michigan, Sources told ESPN that Stalions did not attend a scheduled meeting with Michigan officials, possibly on advice of counsel. Sources were unsure whether he will cooperate with the NCAA investigation.

Nov. 17: Michigan announced Friday that linebackers coach Chris Partridge has been relieved of his duties effective immediately. The announcement comes a day after Michigan said it was dropping its legal case against the Big Ten and that coach Jim Harbaugh would serve his three-game suspension levied by the conference. A source told ESPN that Partridge's firing stemmed from his lack of cooperation with the NCAA investigation.

Jan 19, 2024: Jim Harbaugh is seeking to have an immunity clause added to his contract. Specifically Harbaugh wants to include a provision that would grant him immunity from termination from any finding that could arise from the current NCAA investigation into the Michigan football program. Furthermore, he seeks to prohibit the athletic director from firing him “for cause” and leave that type of decision to a three-member arbitration panel.

4 staff members - fired/resigned in the 2023 calaender year.And the Head Coach asks for immunity contract clause the following January.Because nothing screams integrity like the aforementioned random list of achievements. A big nothing burger,ok we'll buy that shyt :cheer:
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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2024, 11:41:06 AM »
Yeah.. Michigan only beat OSU last year because of Stallions. Keep grasping.
If the Connor Stallions thing was some Buckeye Board rumor then "grasping" would be a legit criticism.   

It is NOT a rumor and it is not a legitimate criticism.  Michigan cheated.  That is not coming merely from Ohio State fans, it is a known quantity.  It happened.  
Did he cross a line being on the sideline at CMU? probably.. 
Probably?  Seriously?  You guys really do live in a bubble.  That wasn't a "probable" crossing of a line.  It was a bright line violation of the rules, as the NCAA put it, it and the scheme that it was a part of were "premeditated" and "deliberate" and "violated the principles of honesty and sportsmanship".  

That isn't me, that isn't any Ohio State fan, that is the NCAA talking about the dirty cheating program that you choose to cheer for so I ask again:
Your whole fanbase is absolute trash. 

Honest question for Michigan  fans with kids ( @SuperMario ):
When you tell your kids not to lie, how do you explain the exception for lying to get an advantage when you are sick-and-tired of losing to Ohio State for twenty years? 

True story:
Sunday night I was getting dinner ready and two of my kids (5 and 3) got into some food that they weren't supposed to get into.  My wife caught them and asked "Did daddy say you could have that?".  They (being kids - or possibly future Michigan "Men") lied and said that I had.  My wife and I had a long discussion with them about the importance of telling the truth.  

I've always assumed that @Mdot21 is all bluster but I don't know him.  Maybe ethics are totally irrelevant to him.  I know you @SuperMario , that does NOT describe you.  So, how do you look your kids in the eye and say "you always have to tell the truth" while wearing a Yellow "M" on a blue shirt?  

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2024, 11:55:29 AM »

https://twitter.com/VernFunquistCFB/status/1828455471025442884?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1828455471025442884%7Ctwgr%5E071a2a8bed364fdca1215e3fa365373f28e99f27%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fvernfunquistcfb%2Fstatus%2F1828455471025442884%3Fs%3D46
yeah or you could also just say that's his record once one of the two or three greatest college football coaches in history...Urban Meyer left Ohio State and Jeem found himself a real life OMERG FIVE STARZ 'croot QB JJ McCarthy, a guy who has lost I think two or three games in total as a starting QB since his sophomore year in high school and just went in the top 10 picks of an NFL draft. Look at his QB's before JJ. It's a whose who list of absolute mediocrity or worse.

have to imagine that it helps one out an awful fucking lot when you are facing Ryan Day as head coach and not one of the two or three greatest college head coaches ever + you finally have a real life QB.  

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2024, 11:58:26 AM »
Well that might explain a win or two against Ohio State, but not the other 38.  And it's not like the 26 losses in the "Before" column all came against the Buckeyes.  As I recall, they came against errrrrrbody. :)


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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2024, 12:02:14 PM »
Is it your assertion that Michigan was so incompetent that their rampant cheating provided them no benefit?

We'll put you down for this category:
As to Michigan's rushing, they were a good rushing team in 2021 and Ohio State's defense was suspect to put it mildly so Michigan's rushing for 297 isn't shocking.  What WAS shocking was them holding Ohio State's National #1 Offense to just 458 yards and 27 points.  I'm sure you think that knowing the plays in advance due to rampant cheating had no impact there. 
hey pal, it's called line of scrimmage. 458 yards is a lot of yards. 27 points isn't, but in that game when you RUN THE BALL FOR 300 YARDS AND PRESSURE THE QB WITH A PAIR OF ELITE 1st RD EDGE RUSHERS you're going to a) control the clock and TOS limiting the other teams offensive opportunities and b) hurry up the QB and get his timing just a tad bit off. 

Michigan has just flat out had better dudes on the lines of scrimmage on both sides of the ball these past 3 seasons and it's not really particularly close. At all. Paris Campbell was pretty awesome though. As for the defense JTT, Jack Sawyer, and Harrison while very good players just not the dudes they were billed to be coming out of high school and the OSU LB's have left a lot to be desired. Haven't seen any James Laurenitis or AJ Hawk's roaming that field going sideline to sideline. 

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2024, 12:09:46 PM »
Well that might explain a win or two against Ohio State, but not the other 38.  And it's not like the 26 losses in the "Before" column all came against the Buckeyes.  As I recall, they came against errrrrrbody. :)
Are we just going to ignore the talent difference from Michigan 5 years ago to the last couple years? As a fan, i thought it was clear as day different, especially at QB, RB and defensive line and LB.

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2024, 12:11:35 PM »
Are we just going to ignore the talent difference from Michigan 5 years ago to the last couple years? As a fan, i thought it was clear as day different, especially at QB, RB and defensive line and LB.
Didn't look like it against TCU, I wonder why?

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2024, 12:13:06 PM »
Since there seems to be a  rampant outbreak of amnesia amongst the Michigan faithful. Let us bring up the timeline of the questionable conduct and misrepresentation there of. Notice that is from ESPN and Yahoo not from  Buckeye/Spartan Message Boards trying to COPE!

2023 Michigan timeline:
Jan. 19: Yahoo Sports and ESPN report that an attempt to expedite Michigan's NCAA infractions case fell apart because Harbaugh refused to acknowledge during multiple meetings with NCAA officials that he lied or misled investigators.

Jan. 20: Michigan fires co-offensive coordinator Matt Weiss after it says he failed to attend a meeting to discuss whether he gained unauthorized access to computer accounts assigned to other people in December 2022.

May 20: Glenn "Shemy" Schembechler, son of legendary Wolverines coach Bo Schembechler, resigns three days after he was hired as the football program's assistant director of football recruiting.

Oct. 18: The NCAA notifies the Big Ten and Michigan that it had received allegations the Wolverines were involved in a sign-stealing scheme and had allegedly sent representatives to games to scout future opponents, which has been prohibited by NCAA rules since 1994. The Big Ten said it had notified Michigan's future opponents of the allegations.

Oct. 19: ESPN reports that Connor Stalions, a Wolverines off-field analyst and retired captain in the U.S. Marine Corps, is at the center of the NCAA's investigation into alleged sign stealing. Sources told ESPN that NCAA enforcement staff sought access to Stalions' computer. Michigan announced the next day that it had suspended Stalions with pay pending the conclusion of the investigation.

Oct. 23: ESPN reports that Stalions purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games at 11 Big Ten schools over the past three seasons (A 12th school later added that Stalions had purchased tickets at its stadium as well). In many cases, Stallions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three people in different parts of the country. The scope of the alleged sign-stealing operation included video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail, sources told ESPN.

Oct. 26: University of Michigan deputy chief Melissa Overton confirms the FBI has joined the department's investigation into Weiss' alleged unauthorized access into others' computer accounts. Overton called the investigation "extensive, ongoing and ... of the utmost priority."

Oct. 27: A former Division III player and assistant coach tells ESPN's Dan Murphy that Stalions paid him "a couple hundred dollars" and provided him with a ticket to a Michigan home game to record future Wolverines opponents.

Oct. 31: Central Michigan announces that it is investigating photographs of a man who resembled Stalions standing on its sideline during the Sept. 1 opener at Michigan State.The man, dressed in Central Michigan gear and standing with several of the team's coaches, was wearing a bench credential. Photos obtained by ESPN showed a man wearing sunglasses -- during a night game -- and holding a possible play sheet. "We obviously are aware of a picture floating around with the sign-stealer guy," Chippewas coach Jim McElwain said.

Nov. 3: Stallions resigns from his position at Michigan, Sources told ESPN that Stalions did not attend a scheduled meeting with Michigan officials, possibly on advice of counsel. Sources were unsure whether he will cooperate with the NCAA investigation.

Nov. 17: Michigan announced Friday that linebackers coach Chris Partridge has been relieved of his duties effective immediately. The announcement comes a day after Michigan said it was dropping its legal case against the Big Ten and that coach Jim Harbaugh would serve his three-game suspension levied by the conference. A source told ESPN that Partridge's firing stemmed from his lack of cooperation with the NCAA investigation.

Jan 19, 2024: Jim Harbaugh is seeking to have an immunity clause added to his contract. Specifically Harbaugh wants to include a provision that would grant him immunity from termination from any finding that could arise from the current NCAA investigation into the Michigan football program. Furthermore, he seeks to prohibit the athletic director from firing him “for cause” and leave that type of decision to a three-member arbitration panel.

4 staff members - fired/resigned in the 2023 calaender year.And the Head Coach asks for immunity contract clause the following January.Because nothing screams integrity like the aforementioned random list of achievements. A big nothing burger,ok we'll buy that shyt :cheer:
the same amnesia that hits people when OSU and Catapult is discussed? Sounds like the same type that only remembers free tattoos and gold pants when OSU was found to have many many players on payroll of NE Ohio construction companies.. Odd Tressel knew the owner of the one out of Independence, OH very well.

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2024, 12:15:12 PM »
Didn't look like it against TCU, I wonder why?
Teams have never had a great team fail to show up in a big game? Wow.. thought an OSU fan would understand that well after watching their team get shutout(blown out) by Clemson on a big stage. 

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2024, 12:18:45 PM »
Those Michigan fans are dirtbags.. now us Ohio State fans only root for fair play, integrity and doing things the right way.. 


 

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