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- and the QB is far more important than the RB- 

Not in the 80s, lol.

*If you go back 50 years, Army and Minnesota were in there, but on their way out.  
Nebraska and Penn State, replacing them.

and it would seem the Gophers have moved up since Fleck arrived

Clemson is 17th now, all-time.
In 1999, they were 35th.  Here's who they were looking around at:
33.  WV
34. Minn
35. CLEMSON
36. Va Tech
37. Stanford
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and today, those same programs are:
WV - 23rd
Minn - 38th
CLEMSON - 17th
VT - 21st
Stan - 31st
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WV +10 spots
Minn - 4
Clemson +18
VT +15
Stan +6
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Glancing at it, Clemson has moved up 2nd-most of any program since '99, trailing (I believe) only Oregon.  The Ducks have moved up 25 spots (but are still only 36th now).

Very impressive. Are you finding these stats ready made, or are you compiling them manually. 


I’d bet A&M lost 1-2 spots since ‘99. 

Miles was certainly good at LSU, but outside of LSU he was 28-21 at Okie State and 3-18 at Kansas. Not exactly hall of fame numbers. Brian Kelly is a hell of a proven coach who has won everywhere he has gone. If he can outperform what he did at Notre Dame compared to what Les Miles did at Okie State, then that is something.

I don't know how any HC can go from swimming in talent and then go to a place like KU and win there.  
I'd posit that the exact same HC could win at the lesser program on his way up more easily than he could after he's tasted great success at a superior program.
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That's what amazed me most about what Spurrier did at Carolina.  It made sense that he did well at Duke, THEN did even better at Florida.  But it really surprised me that he found success at a lower program afterwards.  
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Basically, it's hard to go back to cheeseburgers, once you've enjoyed steak.

I think ND folks have outsized expectations unlikely to be delivered, by any coach.  They seem like a 10-2 kind of program, 9-3 and 11-1 on occasion.  And 12-1 at LSU means playoff, probably, and 11-1 at ND means nice bowl game.

Miles was certainly good at LSU, but outside of LSU he was 28-21 at Okie State and 3-18 at Kansas. Not exactly hall of fame numbers. Brian Kelly is a hell of a proven coach who has won everywhere he has gone. If he can outperform what he did at Notre Dame compared to what Les Miles did at Okie State, then that is something.

Okie State has obvious limitations, even though Gundy has surpassed what Miles was able to do there.  Still, he arguably was only able to build on Miles' tenure who definitely elevated them from where they were.  Kansas was an utter cluster**** on a level that most people don't understand.  They had roster problems that I've never even heard of....short-handed roster and had somehow used some loophole I'd previously never heard whereby they effectively had mortgaged future schollys....they were hamstrung bad.  Not saying he did great there, but that place was a wreck.  

Doesn't matter.  I'm a big believer in "fit" when it comes to coaching.  Just because Bill Snyder is a legendary coach at KSU doesn't mean he would've been all-time great at Alabama.  Just because Pete Carroll was awesome at USC doesn't mean he'd be awesome at Baylor.  Les Miles and LSU just fit together, in a variety of ways.  For a while, anyway.