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MikeDeTiger

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2022, 11:10:30 AM »
Dantonio at Michigan State comes to mind.  They seemed to work well together, though I'm not sure he would've had the same success at a school of significantly different optics than MSU.  

Harbaugh would probably be Harbaugh at a few more schools than just Michigan--I can see his schtick working elsewhere (as it did at Stanford)--but there are also places I think he'd be a very poor fit and it just wouldn't work.  Like, put Harbaugh at Oklahoma State and they won't have the same success they've gotten to with Gundy.  

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2022, 11:16:24 AM »
To what extent is "fit" a factor in coaching success?  I don't know.  Is hiring an alum part of having "fit"?  Kelly hardly seems like much of a fit at LSU, but he could well have coaching success.  Is Saban a fit at Alabama?  How about Riley?  Or Fickell?

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2022, 12:20:25 PM »
To what extent is "fit" a factor in coaching success?  I don't know.  Is hiring an alum part of having "fit"?  Kelly hardly seems like much of a fit at LSU, but he could well have coaching success.  Is Saban a fit at Alabama?  How about Riley?  Or Fickell?

A big part, imo.

Being an alumni probably doesn't mean much, imo.  Our best coach in history is a bona fide Michigan Man.  Orgeron went to LSU (for about a week before transferring out) and while everybody wanted him to be a "fit"....maybe he was, but he couldn't coach worth a damn so it doesn't matter.  But you can be a good coach in the wrong spot and not be as successful.  Obviously I'm referring to more than just school resources.  However, there may be a decent-size list of places a coach fits....it doesn't just have to be luck that they wind up somewhere doing well, or poorly.  

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2022, 12:39:18 PM »
it's certainly strange

Rhule, who grew up in NYC, might be a better fit at UNL than Frost, who grew up in Wood River, NE
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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2022, 12:45:47 PM »
I think "fit" might be judged by winning percentage and little else.

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2022, 01:21:55 PM »
not always

Scott Frost was obviously a good fit at UNL

winning percentage be damned
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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2022, 01:23:31 PM »
The Huskers on Thanksgiving 1922 and The Four Horsemen of Notre Dame

https://history.nebraska.gov/the-huskers-on-thanksgiving-1922-and-the-four-horsemen-of-notre-dame/?fbclid=IwAR0eegbDC-H7ayem8sCKl5bpYezJKdEO4SL3ZOfXz1rQXM0CuOjRdyNy2tI

It was the final game of the season. Notre Dame came to Lincoln to face Nebraska in front of 16,000 fans who found unusual places to watch the game (see the photos below). It would also be the final time Nebraska would play on Nebraska Field as Memorial Stadium would be constructed the following year. The Fighting Irish showcased a roster which included Harry Stuhldreher, Don Miller, Jim Crowley, and Elmer Layden, who would later be known as the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame in coming years. Head Coach Knute Rockne and Notre Dame entered the game undefeated, posting five shutouts that season. Nebraska had one loss on their record and played the Thanksgiving Day game with heavy emotions.

Team trainer Jack Best, who was 77, was carried wrapped in blankets from his office in Grant Hall to a taxi to Nebraska Field. With his health failing, he was then carried into the Nebraska locker room before the game. Best told the players that this game would be the last one he would see and that he wanted a win. Tears were on the players’ faces as they emerged onto the field and Nebraska used that emotion to take the quick lead. The Cornhuskers slashed Notre Dame with big plays and went up 14-0 in the first half. The Fighting Irish would get 6 in the second half with other opportunities to score, but they could not overcome the Nebraska defense. Best got his wish as the Cornhuskers capped off the 1922 season with a 14-6 win against what would become one of the most iconic teams in college football history.

This was the first of only two losses the Four Horsemen would experience in their entire college football careers. The second loss was to Nebraska in 1923.


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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2022, 01:42:56 PM »
UGA has never lost to ND, just sayin' ...

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2022, 02:29:07 PM »
Huskers lead the all-time series 8-7-1 and have scoreboard, winning the last 3.
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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2022, 03:00:14 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2022, 04:08:10 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2022, 04:11:10 PM »
I'd imagine some of us here have mused about coaching somewhere.  Would you rather be HC at LSU or ND?  Expectations about the same, salary about the same, headaches probably less at ND with players ...

I'd go with LSU, I think expectations are more manageable vis a vis the capabilities and talent available.

ND is to me akin to that woman in a dark bar late at night who kinda looks pretty nice but really is 48 years old.

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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2022, 04:15:07 PM »
I've been to South Bend and the campus - getting cold and snowy this time of the season

Never been to Baton Rouge  - too many reptiles and insects

I'd rather coach in Austin, TX - lots of recruits, lots of money, expectations have been lowered
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Re: For those who pay attention to Notre Dame
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2022, 04:47:01 PM »
lulz

 

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