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Mdot21

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #112 on: November 03, 2021, 12:13:02 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 03, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
They've put themselves in a weird position, by not firing him after last year. Say he goes from 2-4 to 10-2 and a NY6 Bowl.  That was basically what he was doing every year before 2020, so to retain him off 2020, what did he have to do to keep his job in 2021? Was it national title or bust? And then if they do retain him, and then he does the same thing next year, then do you let him go? It's a very weird position to be in, as a helmet school that isn't competing for national titles, but is still very good. This isn't Nebraska or Tennessee or USC struggling to make bowls. If he were doing this at Wisconsin, or Michigan State, or Iowa, they'd be ready to put a statue up.
I think he's gone. 

They were paying this fool close to $9 million a year and they cut his salary by more than half and got his buyout to basically nothing. It would be basically free to get rid of him now compared to what it would cost for other schools to get rid of their big name coaches.

They didn't cut his salary and reduce that buyout for him to have another embarrassing close loss he beefed to MSU and to see him get blown out by Ohio State again. Mel Tucker put the stake in Jim's heart, Ryan Day is about to pound it through once Ohio State completely destroys Michigan and runs them off the field and wins by 30+ points like they did in 2018 and 2019 and would've done in 2020 had Michigan not chickened out and canceled the game.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #113 on: November 03, 2021, 12:25:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 03, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 03, 2021, 11:36:23 AM

No one said they are a terrible team. This is disconcerting trend that has been going on for 7 years straight- and Jim Harbaugh is very clearly a terrible coach when it comes to facing teams in ranked match-ups.

His .18% winning percentage in ranked match-ups on the road is literally the single worst of any coach at one school in history. Kirk Ferentz at Iowa and John Vaught at Mississippi were tied for 1st place at .250, until the crown prince of Michigan himself unseated them both at .182. EIGHTEEN F#CKING PERCENT.

This autistic dweeb wasn't paid $9 million a year and then had his salary cut in half this year for 18% and to be the #1 all-time loser in the stat.

Where is this list?
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #114 on: November 03, 2021, 12:29:26 PM »
That 18% winning percentage can't be the overall worst for any coach at any school.  Some coaches stay at programs like K State a long time and have pretty bad teams routinely that would lose every game to any decent team.  Maybe it's for ranked teams playing ranked opponents.

At any rate, there is an obvious risk of going from not adequate to worse.
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« Reply #115 on: November 03, 2021, 12:37:57 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 03, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
They've put themselves in a weird position, by not firing him after last year. Say he goes from 2-4 to 10-2 and a NY6 Bowl.  That was basically what he was doing every year before 2020, so to retain him off 2020, what did he have to do to keep his job in 2021? Was it national title or bust? And then if they do retain him, and then he does the same thing next year, then do you let him go? It's a very weird position to be in, as a helmet school that isn't competing for national titles, but is still very good. This isn't Nebraska or Tennessee or USC struggling to make bowls. If he were doing this at Wisconsin, or Michigan State, or Iowa, they'd be ready to put a statue up.
similar to Solich....

2002 he goes 7-7, absolutely unheard of at the time
then 2003 goes 9-3 with a 10th win in the bowl game
huge improvement, but fired before the bowl game
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #116 on: November 03, 2021, 12:43:07 PM »
Purdue’s last three coaches vs ranked road opponents
1-5 .166
0-something .000
0-6

At some point, I want to check Osborne. Will report back.

Paul Chryst is 3-5. As a .735 coach. 
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #117 on: November 03, 2021, 12:50:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 03, 2021, 12:37:57 PM
similar to Solich....

2002 he goes 7-7, absolutely unheard of at the time
then 2003 goes 9-3 with a 10th win in the bowl game
huge improvement, but fired before the bowl game
I don’t know if he would’ve got it back on track. 

I can safely say they’re 1-3 on hires since. 
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #118 on: November 03, 2021, 12:50:39 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 03, 2021, 12:29:26 PM
That 18% winning percentage can't be the overall worst for any coach at any school.  Some coaches stay at programs like K State a long time and have pretty bad teams routinely that would lose every game to any decent team.  Maybe it's for ranked teams playing ranked opponents.

At any rate, there is an obvious risk of going from not adequate to worse.
That's the way I understood it.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #119 on: November 03, 2021, 12:52:36 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 03, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
Simple odds would suggest that he's much more likely to be worse than better.
Yeah, but you usually wait until someone actually does some level of worse. 

Then again, you fire, take a chance on a coach who comes in with a worse resume than Harbs, chances are you’ll be worse too, but it’ll feel a little better because there’s more hope of the unknown to cling to
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #120 on: November 03, 2021, 12:55:26 PM »
Yeah, I meant that you are more likely to replace him with a coach that's worse than better. 

Take all the Helmet HCs since 2000, and see how they stack up against Harbaugh. 
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #121 on: November 03, 2021, 01:00:00 PM »
If I had a guy in mind I really thought was an upgrade and he was interested, I'd do it (duh).  Some ADs seem to fire their guy without the FNG in mind.

Imagine they win out except OSU and then win an NY6 game against say A&M.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #122 on: November 03, 2021, 01:18:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 03, 2021, 12:29:26 PM
That 18% winning percentage can't be the overall worst for any coach at any school.  Some coaches stay at programs like K State a long time and have pretty bad teams routinely that would lose every game to any decent team.  Maybe it's for ranked teams playing ranked opponents.

At any rate, there is an obvious risk of going from not adequate to worse.
I've been thinking this ever since I first saw that listed as "worst ever".  I have no idea where to go to prove that is not correct, but it simply can't be.  
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #123 on: November 03, 2021, 01:22:26 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2021, 12:50:39 PM
That's the way I understood it.
So he’s 2-9. That means he’s losing like 1.3 per season, though that might go down, pending the PSU games.

It’s also weird because he’s literally never lost as an unranked road team to a ranked team. They’ve also played no such games.

This strikes me as a mostly fancy way to complain. If your coach isn’t doing as well as you’d like, they’re losing somewhere against someone. The most likely ones are gonna be on the road against good opponents. The stat is sort of deeply random if you start counting it out and thinking about it.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #124 on: November 03, 2021, 01:22:55 PM »
U-M's struggles began long before Jim Harbaugh was anointed the savior of Michigan football. Former head coach Rich Rodriguez Rodriguez finished his Michigan coaching career 0–3 against Ohio State and 0–3 against Michigan State, along with the lowest winning percentage (.405) of any coach in the history of the program. Though Brady Hoke fared slightly better, he finished his Michigan coaching career with a combined 2-6 record against both Michigan State and Ohio State.
Combined, Harbaugh's predecessors went a whopping 2-12 against Michigan's biggest rivals during a seven year stretch.
Though things have improved slightly under Harbaugh's watch, he's still a combined 3-9 against Michigan State and Ohio State, 0-2 against current MSU head coach Mel Tucker, 0-1 against current OSU head coach Ryan Day and now 0-9 against AP top 15 opponents on the road. 


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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #125 on: November 03, 2021, 01:27:07 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on November 03, 2021, 01:22:26 PM
So he’s 2-9. That means he’s losing like 1.3 per season, though that might go down, pending the PSU games.

It’s also weird because he’s literally never lost as an unranked road team to a ranked team. They’ve also played no such games.

This strikes me as a mostly fancy way to complain. If your coach isn’t doing as well as you’d like, they’re losing somewhere against someone. The most likely ones are gonna be on the road against good opponents. The stat is sort of deeply random if you start counting it out and thinking about it.
Yes. Someone who already wants their coach fired:

"He's never won against a coach of Irish heritage in the state New Jersey when it's raining but above 65 degrees, in a night game! Coach John Q. Random, a division rival, is 5-0 in those games! Fire his worthless ass!"
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