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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2019, 12:57:11 PM »
I looked into this a bit a while back and everything I saw said they pay more than a home game.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/1/16135692/neutral-site-games-college-football-week-1

This is another example claiming that as well.  

"Although the Seminoles will sacrifice a home game by playing Alabama at a neutral site, the program will benefit financially. FSU nets about $2.3 million per home game and expects to spend about $275,000 in expenses for the trip to Atlanta. The difference will be about a $2.5 million windfall for the athletic department … not to mention the attention and focus on a game pairing two of the country’s most traditional and successful programs."

"The biggest difference between neutral kickoffs and bowls is that bowls sell their TV rights to networks, whereas neutral games fall under the existing TV agreements for the participating schools' conferences. Event organizers don't get a dime from TV."

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2019, 02:35:11 PM »
Michigan isn't going to play another neutral site game any time soon, if ever. They have their big non-con games scheduled through 2027 with series against Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma.... Hopefully they'll announce 2028/2029 soon, because schools usually have those set up 10 years in advance.... USC and Tennessee appear to be two of the best possibilities if FBSchedules.com is accurate.

My bigger concern is that the guarantee games won't be as good in the future. Bill Martin was lazy about them, but Dave Brandon did a good job with scheduling home games against the likes of Air Force, Cincinnati, SMU, UCF, Oregon State, and BYU..... So far, Warde Manuel has settled for MAC, CUSA, and SunBelt teams, except for Colorado State.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2019, 02:42:12 PM »
I know that one time Dave Brandon scheduled a game in Jerry World and lost money compared to a home game. Responded to the mistake by getting into a controversy by refusing to send the band (ultimately some alumnus wrote a check to send them). So I think it's fair to wonder if the math is different for Michigan. No one's stadium is a bigger earner, though I bet aTm's gets close.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2019, 02:44:22 PM »
The figures listed are appreciably different for teams like Alabama who also has a 100+K stadium. 

I don't think these games can be as popular as they are without having higher payouts.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2019, 02:46:54 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on January 26, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
Michigan isn't going to play another neutral site game any time soon, if ever. They have their big non-con games scheduled through 2027 with series against Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma.... Hopefully they'll announce 2028/2029 soon, because schools usually have those set up 10 years in advance.... USC and Tennessee appear to be two of the best possibilities if FBSchedules.com is accurate.

My bigger concern is that the guarantee games won't be as good in the future. Bill Martin was lazy about them, but Dave Brandon did a good job with scheduling home games against the likes of Air Force, Cincinnati, SMU, UCF, Oregon State, and BYU..... So far, Warde Manuel has settled for MAC, CUSA, and SunBelt teams, except for Colorado State.
Times change. Those kind of schools want 2/1 now.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2019, 02:48:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2019, 02:44:22 PM
The figures listed are appreciably different for teams like Alabama who also has a 100+K stadium.

I don't think these games can be as popular as they are without having higher payouts.
That wasn't the motivation for UW. They just wanted to play Bama and LSU. The latter 2 name the terms.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2019, 02:55:06 PM »
Maybe not, but the popularity of these NS games indicates to me that they are lucrative on the money angle.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 03:20:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2019, 02:46:54 PM
Times change. Those kind of schools want 2/1 now.
I'm not saying any of those schools in particular will play another guarantee game against Michigan (UCF is clearly on the record that they're done with guarantee games), but there are some other programs in the AAC/MWC that will still play a guarantee game against a top program (eg. Fresno State, Utah State, Wyoming, Nevada, Tulsa, Tulane), that would be more interesting opponents than Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ball State, Middle Tennessee, and Arkansas State, which are all future opponents.
I will say the one way that Michigan might take a neutral site is if that's the only way they can get a great non-con game. The only time in long time that Michigan has settled for a bad series was with Connecticut, because they were desperate to get a decent opponent to open the 2010 season when the stadium renovation was completed, and even then they were always trying to get the return game in 2013 moved to the Giants' or Patriots' stadium, which didn't end up happening.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2019, 03:27:57 PM »

 
For UW.
 

Future Wisconsin Non-Conference Opponents

2019

·        08/31 - at USF

·        09/07 - Central Michigan

·        10/05 - Kent State

2020

·        09/12 - Southern Illinois

·        09/19 - Appalachian State

·        10/03 - vs Notre Dame (in Green Bay, WI)

2021

·        09/11 - Eastern Michigan

·        09/25 - vs Notre Dame (in Chicago, IL)

·        10/16 - Army

2022

·        09/10 - Washington State

·        09/17 - Hawaii

·        09/24 - Illinois State

2023

·        09/02 - Buffalo

·        09/09 - at Washington State

·        09/16 - Georgia Southern

2024

·        08/31 - at Hawaii

·        09/14 - Virginia Tech

·        09/21 - South Dakota

2025

·        09/06 - North Texas

·        09/13 - at Virginia Tech

2026

·        09/19 - Pitt

2027

·        09/11 - at Pitt

2029

·        09/15 - at UCLA

2030

·        09/07 - UCLA

 

 
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2019, 04:16:56 PM »
the Badgers have Notre Dame a couple times, that's great
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 05:31:26 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 26, 2019, 04:16:56 PM
the Badgers have Notre Dame a couple times, that's great
Sadly, it's not home and away. Green Bay and Chicago.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 07:20:17 PM »
I do not understand the Green Bay thing.  They did it with LSU obviously.  I kinda understand playing one game in some NFL stadium, OK, but two?  Especially when the campuses at Madison and South Bend are so traditional.

It HAS to be money.  And I don't quite understand the financial equation either except to note it MUST be favorable.

A ONE OFF game could be understood as a thing easier to schedule.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 08:42:13 PM »
I'm not arguing against the influence of money, just acknowledging that other influences exist:

Helmets tend to rarely/never be willing to visit a plucky non-Helmet with an imposing stadium. Even with equal H&H revenue, I don't think LSU ever would have scheduled to play UW if the stipulation was for one in Madison.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 09:58:20 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on January 26, 2019, 08:42:13 PM
I'm not arguing against the influence of money, just acknowledging that other influences exist:

Helmets tend to rarely/never be willing to visit a plucky non-Helmet with an imposing stadium. Even with equal H&H revenue, I don't think LSU ever would have scheduled to play UW if the stipulation was for one in Madison.
Why do H&H when two home games against body bags make all that $$$$?
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