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Topic: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)

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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #168 on: August 30, 2024, 09:48:58 PM »
Oh wow didn't realize Tom Herman landed at FAU
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #169 on: August 30, 2024, 09:53:32 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 30, 2024, 09:13:11 PM
He has the Tebow arm slot issue.  


What arm slot issue?
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2024, 09:55:37 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2024, 09:48:58 PM
Oh wow didn't realize Tom Herman landed at FAU
No one did.
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2024, 09:58:32 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2024, 09:48:58 PM
Oh wow didn't realize Tom Herman landed at FAU
lots of excellent titty bars not far from Boca Raton. Tom will fit in perfectly there. 

Why didn’t Sparty just take the easy 3 points and go up 9?
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #172 on: August 30, 2024, 10:01:31 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 30, 2024, 09:58:32 PM
lots of excellent titty bars not far from Boca Raton. Tom will fit in perfectly there.

Why didn’t Sparty just take the easy 3 points and go up 9?
I think first year coaches don't quite follow the playbook. They have more confidence in saying to go out there and make the first down. 
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #173 on: August 30, 2024, 10:29:31 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 30, 2024, 09:53:32 PM


What arm slot issue?
I mean, he clearly had a throwing mechanics issue.  That was undeniable.  He was also surrounded by elite talent, and a playbook built to his abilities.  Im not saying Chiles cant overcome it, but the coaches dont seem to recognize he has it
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #174 on: August 30, 2024, 10:31:37 PM »
MSU putting up less points than they did last year with Connor Stallions calling out the plays for CMUs decense is not a great look
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #175 on: August 30, 2024, 10:31:47 PM »
Weird half for UW. 

Drive finishing had some issues, but all three were on the long side. Not enough big plays, but a lot of moving the ball. WMU is frankly moving it too well, with one long TD drive to show for it. 
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #176 on: August 30, 2024, 10:37:24 PM »
apparently, Wisconsin is working on the passing game

the running game is good, the passing game needs work

they are getting plenty of work

more passes than runs in the first half
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #177 on: August 30, 2024, 10:42:25 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 30, 2024, 10:31:37 PM
MSU putting up less points than they did last year with Connor Stallions calling out the plays for CMUs decense is not a great look

FAU sucks. A lot. Sparty got some serious issues this season, methinks. Like I get it, it's week 1 but that OL looked pretty bad vs a very poor opponent, FAU really really sucks. I don't know why Sparty coaches insist on playing Nate Carter at RB so much when his back-up Lynch-Adams is clearly WAY better than him. By the way why does Carter stand straight up in the backfield like that? He looks like he's built like a brick shit house but he runs so upright, goes down so easily on first contact and just looks....slow. I was shocked at how bad Aiden Chiles was to be honest. You can see the obvious physical talent and he played very well as a true freshman last season in spots and you just figured he'd improve in year 2 seeing as how his head coach, QB coach, and OC came with him to Sparty- it wasn't like he was going to a new offensive scheme/system he'd have to learn- he already knows it. Chiles was just misfiring everything, short, behind, throwing deep balls 20 yards over the WR's heads. Looked like Joe Milton out there.
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #178 on: August 30, 2024, 10:44:22 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 30, 2024, 10:37:24 PM
apparently, Wisconsin is working on the passing game

the running game is good, the passing game needs work

they are getting plenty of work

more passes than runs in the first half
I do kind of wonder if we are reaching a point where the analytics do not account for the lack of talent.  college football used to be a game of offensive variance. A lot of sports  used to have more variance, but college football specifically.  The analytics have convinced us of the most efficient ways to play.  Those metrics are not incorrect, but in a sport with 130+ teams, you have to be able to adjust to your roster, and it does not seem like coaches are able to do that
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #179 on: August 30, 2024, 10:53:31 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 30, 2024, 10:42:25 PM
FAU sucks. A lot. Sparty got some serious issues this season, methinks. Like I get it, it's week 1 but that OL looked pretty bad vs a very poor opponent, FAU really really sucks. I don't know why Sparty coaches insist on playing Nate Carter at RB so much when his back-up Lynch-Adams is clearly WAY better than him. By the way why does Carter stand straight up in the backfield like that? He looks like he's built like a brick shit house but he runs so upright, goes down so easily on first contact and just looks....slow. I was shocked at how bad Aiden Chiles was to be honest. You can see the obvious physical talent and he played very well as a true freshman last season in spots and you just figured he'd improve in year 2 seeing as how his head coach, QB coach, and OC came with him to Sparty- it wasn't like he was going to a new offensive scheme/system he'd have to learn- he already knows it. Chiles was just misfiring everything, short, behind, throwing deep balls 20 yards over the WR's heads. Looked like Joe Milton out there.
Because coaches dont coach anymore, they just scheme.  Chiles has a ton of talent, but his throwing motion is broken.  I don't understand how he got this far with it.  Maybe he was just so talented that coaches were scared to fix it.  Im the pitching coach for my sons travel baseball team.  We dont have a kid who is going to be a college pitcher, let alone a P4 #1 starter, like Chiles is.  But I still work mechanics with every kid.  Im good with some variance, but you need a repeatable motion, and Chiles has the same arm drop elbow sling that Randle El and Tebow had.  Hopefully he figures it out like they did, but defenses are way smarter now.

Thats a long term issue though.  Short term is that the OL is a mess.

The big positive is how good the defensive front looked.  That was the major issue on that side of the ball, and they looked pretty good.  I actually think the refs ignored a lot of holding calls, which made MSUs OL look less bad than they were, but I think MSUs front forced a lot of uncalled holding calls.  Linebacker has a ton of depth.  Secondary looked fine
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
« Reply #180 on: August 30, 2024, 11:03:18 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 30, 2024, 10:53:31 PM
Because coaches dont coach anymore, they just scheme.  Chiles has a ton of talent, but his throwing motion is broken.  I don't understand how he got this far with it.  Maybe he was just so talented that coaches were scared to fix it.  Im the pitching coach for my sons travel baseball team.  We dont have a kid who is going to be a college pitcher, let alone a P4 #1 starter, like Chiles is.  But I still work mechanics with every kid.  Im good with some variance, but you need a repeatable motion, and Chiles has the same arm drop elbow sling that Randle El and Tebow had.  Hopefully he figures it out like they did, but defenses are way smarter now.

Thats a long term issue though.  Short term is that the OL is a mess.

The big positive is how good the defensive front looked.  That was the major issue on that side of the ball, and they looked pretty good.  I actually think the refs ignored a lot of holding calls, which made MSUs OL look less bad than they were, but I think MSUs front forced a lot of uncalled holding calls.  Linebacker has a ton of depth.  Secondary looked fine
they definitely looked improved in the front 7 on defense. not sure how much of that was a function of the competition they were playing as FAU doesn't have the OL talent of say Ohio State or Oregon- and their QB just couldn't throw the football. But the defense was very good for Sparty vs an inferior opponent- and that is what you want in these games- for the defense to make plays and swarm and shut down an inferior opponent. And they did that even with Chiles and their offense trying to repeatedly go 3 and out and give the game away to FAU. 
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Re: Finally, the B1G Has Come Back....To The West Coast (SOC 2024 Week 1)
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