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Topic: Establishing an OOC Rivalry

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2020, 08:50:13 AM »
I agree with Entropy

of course, many Husker fans drove from Nebraska to the Rose Bowl
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2020, 11:26:07 AM »
does sec teams have an inordinate bowl record compared to their overall record? do bigten have the opposite?

i don't know, genuinely curious.

alabama's bowl record is quite good, but it should be considering their overall record.
OOC records would be the indicator.  Unfortunately, the paucity of power-on-power OOC games being played over the past two decades makes this hard to judge.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
I haven't been deflecting, I've been including pertinent aspects of this topic. 

The question, "Do SEC teams benefit from home-field advantage in bowls?" isn't a yes/no answer.  If Florida has an advantage in the Sugar Bowl, would you then argue its advantage is the equal of LSU's?  If a season hasn't lived up to expectations and you wind up in the Gator Bowl vs an unsexy team like Indiana, I'd argue there's no home-field advantage. 

Even the Big 8 champs going down to Miami to play Miami was probably more about climate than home-field advantage.  If you're incorporating climate INTO home-field advantage....ehhh.  These aren't bowl games being played in 95 degree weather, guys.  It's usually about 75 and cooler at night. 

I'm not railing against having important bowls up north, I just don't think it would take.  Beyond the freezing fans in the non-domes (hmm, I wonder why domes are a thing?!?), you'd honestly just get worse football.  I don't care if you were raised in Duluth, MN, you're not going to be at your best in 2 degree weather compared to 65 degree weather. 
You're deflecting again in bringing up the notion that fewer fans would go to northern bowls.  That is not the issue.  The issue is: does Florida have an advantage playing Michigan in the Orange Bowl?  Does LSU have an advantage playing Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl?
Not every SEC bowl team has such clear-cut advantages.  But to say that Kentucky has no significant advantage over Indiana when they play in a bowl game in Florida doesn't negate the other examples.
In general, on average do SEC teams have an advantage come bowl season?  That's the question.  Everything else you keep bringing up is just a deflection from answering that question.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #171 on: June 27, 2020, 12:38:56 PM »
One can agree there could be a slight advantage in some cases.  As I have noted, most bowl games are rather sparsely attended and crowd noise and enthusiasm are not factors.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2020, 03:52:56 PM »
i'd venture to say an 8th ranked team is going to struggle vs a #1 ranked team more often than not, regardless of location. perhaps @ftbobs can provide those stats? say 8v1 anywhere, 8v1 with each at home, and 8v1 neutral.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2020, 03:53:40 PM »
If you're #8 you want to play #1 on the road.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #174 on: June 27, 2020, 04:00:54 PM »
When were bowls meant to be "rewards for a good season"?  My understanding was that bowls were created to bring people to events and bring in ticket money.  I understood some teams took it as a reward for a good season, but I'm not sure they were ever meant to be that.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2020, 05:12:19 PM »
I think they were back in the day as there weren't as many and they weren't handed out like participation trophies
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2020, 05:15:59 PM »
When were bowls meant to be "rewards for a good season"?  My understanding was that bowls were created to bring people to events and bring in ticket money.  I understood some teams took it as a reward for a good season, but I'm not sure they were ever meant to be that.
I think mid-60s that is a significant aspect of what they were.  Teams that had large followings were obvious preferred over others.  I think even today making a minor bowl is a reward for having a half decent season.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2020, 05:40:28 PM »

In general, on average do SEC teams have an advantage come bowl season?  That's the question.  Everything else you keep bringing up is just a deflection from answering that question.

It's all part of the discussion.  You're literally forbidding a conversation about a multi-faceted topic, by labeling it deflection.  I don't know if Florida has an advantage over Michigan in the Orange Bowl.  It depends on the context.  

Stop pretending this is an addition problem with one plain, quick answer.  
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #178 on: June 27, 2020, 05:43:07 PM »
When were bowls meant to be "rewards for a good season"?  My understanding was that bowls were created to bring people to events and bring in ticket money.  I understood some teams took it as a reward for a good season, but I'm not sure they were ever meant to be that.
It has to do with when the final rankings/mythical national champion was selected.  

No, that wasn't as big a deal back in the day as it has become, BUT among the top few teams who knew they were ranked in the top few, yes, they'd like to be determined as "the best," yet it was voted on, THEN they'd play their bowl.  No chance to impress or move up.
Once the vote started being taken after the bowls, that last game became an opportunity.  That's all.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2020, 07:10:51 PM »
when bowls started being viewed as real games to be considered in the MNC discussion..............

then home field advantage became a thing
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #180 on: June 28, 2020, 12:26:55 AM »
I think they were back in the day as there weren't as many and they weren't handed out like participation trophies

That may be what they were, or how they were viewed by some, but that's not what they were "meant" for.  To me, the difference matters because different schools viewed bowls differently and their motivations came from what the bowls were, which were money making ventures.  Therefore, some viewed it as insignificant. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #181 on: June 28, 2020, 01:22:56 AM »
I guess that's depend on the years,teams,bowls.Into the '70s the Big Ten had 1 team go bowling,So from prestige to exposure to pay day to recruiting it was all that.Imagine it was much the same for say Sugar,Orange,Cotton and maybe Fiesta also
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